Russian bombers fly undetected through US airspace

Prepare to be utterly amazed -- Su-30 MK in action...

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I could shoot that plane down easy from miles away what with those sissy purple smoke trails - you would think the russians would have fixed that.

 

Wow...just...wow!

Russian scientists are working with aliens...you heard it here first.

The amazing thing is how 'efficient' they are with a budget that's a fraction of ours. They have basically managed not to lose much ground to the U.S. despite getting massively outspent.

I advocate outsourcing our weapons-development jobs to Russia, that way we can get a lot more bang for the buck and can slash our military budget down a couple hundred billion bucks.

Oh, and I advocate outsourcing NASA to the chain-smoking Russians as well...

Probably smart not to.

 

The purple smoke trails were a major oversight.

 

Well, iran is gonna be getting some Suki 30's which are modified to combat the american wild wesale radars. the Suki 30's are wonderfull bombers. i know this by fact. it's ok if you dont believe me. the indian airforce operates them regulary. in rescent excersises, the Sukis out-perfomed most american fighters. russian planes are deadly. but US technology, still has them beat.

 

maybe russia will start a war now, all these techonology but no where to use it.

 

Exactly...while the hovering stuff may look impressive, how many times will that actually be used in combat. Oh unless you WANT to be a sitting duck that is.

 

That video was amazing, never count on the russians and their aerospace abilities, i agree with tigermission, they are efficent and have a different way of looking at technology.

 

US fighters have 2d vectoring, while the Russian planes have 3d -- that being said the F22 is the superior fighter unless they were fighting in close with guns (that will never happen). The Russians claim the tail down hovering is a legitimate move because it causes the plane to become invisible to doppler radar. Doppler can only see a moving target.

 

Here is a interesting interview about the Russian planes and how some of these wild moves would be used in a combat situation.
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We realized that in order to obtain a decisive advantage of the opponent our fighter would have to be not just more maneuverable but several times more maneuverable. There is such definition as radial rate of turn toward the target. In combat the advantage rests with the fighter that is able to turn around before its adversary. We have decided that if we are able to make out fighter turn at twice the rate of the opponent, we will call this supermaneuverability.

Supermaneuverability is a fighter's capacity to turn toward its target from any position in space with at least twice the rate of turn that the enemy fighter is capable of.





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Easy: they can sell these advanced weapons to countries like Iran, China, and India.

Don't forget that weapons-trade is a HUGE money-maker for not only Russia, but also the U.S. and Israel. It's a very profitable industry and you can make a lot of money from weapons sale.

 

Wild Weasels are aircraft that are used to surpress enemy air defenses, either by convincing the guy in the truck to shut the radar off while other aircraft slip by or blowing it to bits. Currently the USAF uses the F-16CJ as it's primary Weasel platform, having replaced the old F4 Phantoms.
Point being, the Su-30 has no modifications to meet the threat of the F-16CJ's although they are perfectly capable of engaging and destroying them.
The SU-30 I'd say is pretty close to the F/A-18E Superhornet, in terms of mission, range, payload and capabilities.



Kingcheetah: Where did you hear that was the purpose of the tail slide? I know for a fact that a hovering Harrier is very visiable to modern radar...

Anyway, thrust vectoring is useful in supercruise as well as dogfighting.Thrust-vectoring plays a big role in high speed, supersonic maneuvering. All aircraft experience a loss of control effectiveness at supersonic speeds. To generate the same maneuver supersonically as subsonically, the controls must be deflected further. This, in turn, results in a big increase in supersonic trim drag and a subsequent loss in acceleration and turn performance. The F-22 offsets this trim drag, not with the horizontal tails, which is the classic approach, but with thrust-vectoring. With a negligible change in forward thrust, the F-22 continues to have relatively low drag at supersonic maneuvering speed. The Su-30 will operate at mostly transonic/subsonic speeds.

 

It is something i've read several times typically mentioned by the Russians when talking about the Su-27 + plane capabilities. They talk about it a bit in the interview I posted:
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"Once the pilot receives a signal that his plane is being tracked by an enemy radar, the first thing he needs to do is to go vertical. While gaining altitude and losing speed the aircraft starts to disappear from the screens of radars that use the Doppler effect.

However, the opponent is no fool either and will counter by pitching his aircraft upward as well. By that time our plane is going vertical and its speed approaches zero. But all Doppler radars can recognize only a moving target. If the aircraft speed is zero or simply low enough to prevent the enemy radar from calculating the Doppler component, for the enemy our aircraft will disappear.

He may still be able to track us visually, but he will not be able to launch a radar-guided missile (either active or semi-active), simply because the missile's seeker would not pick-up the target."