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Here comes Tim 'Cy Young' Redding (4 innings, 1 hit 0 ER)

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Fegwu, Mar 12, 2005.

  1. Fegwu

    Fegwu Contributing Member

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    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/...vkey=spt2005gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb#boxscore

    Astros end Tribe's winning streak
    Houston breaks out of tie in eighth inning


    By Jim Molony / MLB.com

    WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Barry Wesson's solo homer broke an eighth-inning tie and Carlos Rivera went 2-for-2 with a home run as the Houston Astros ended Cleveland's five-game winning streak with a 7-3 victory Saturday at Chain of Lakes Park.
    Wesson's homer off Paul Shuey (0-1) was his first extra-base hit of the spring and snapped a 3-3 tie.

    Rivera's shot to right off Jake Westbrook gave Houston a 1-0 lead in the fifth and gave the first baseman a team-high seven RBIs. Rivera, who is hitting .583 (7-for-12), later added a single.

    Brandon Duckworth (1-0) pitched 3 2/3 innings and allowed an unearned run on four hits to earn the victory. He walked one and struck out three. Duckworth, who has struck out eight in 6 2/3 innings this spring, has a 1.35 ERA.

    Houston starter Tim Redding pitched four scoreless innings, allowing just one hit and a walk while striking out six.

    Cleveland starter Kevin Millwood went three scoreless innings and gave up two hits. The right-hander walked two and struck out two.
     
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    Notes: Redding takes spring in stride

    Hernandez looks strong in "B" game





    WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Tim Redding doesn't put too much stock in Spring Training statistics, so he wasn't overly impressed with the six strikeouts and four scoreless innings he pitched against Cleveland on Saturday.

    To Redding, who is competing for the fifth spot in the Houston rotation, it was just another part of the process of getting ready for the regular season.

    "The game plan today was just to go out there and try to use all my pitches, get out of hitters' counts," Redding said. "[I was a] little disappointed in the two hit batters, especially since one was a 1-1 count and the other was 0-2. But that's what Spring Training is for."

    Redding put up zeroes against a Cleveland team that had scored 84 runs in 11 previous games. He held one of the better lineups in baseball, with hitters like Travis Hafner and Victor Martinez, to a broken bat single. Spring Training or not, it was a noticeable effort.

    "Obviously he was effective, he threw the ball a lot better in this outing than the last time we faced him," Cleveland outfielder Casey Blake said. "He had good command of his breaking ball and his fastball had good movement and he kept it down."

    Redding's teammate, shortstop Adam Everett, said he thought Redding did a great job.

    "That's the best I've seen him throw in a while," Everett said. "When you're competing for a job like he is, that's big for him to step up like he did today."

    Manager Phil Garner also gave plaudits to Redding, who is out of options.

    "He kept the fastball down in the zone a lot," Garner said. "When he missed he didn't miss [in a bad location]."

    Of the 12 outs Redding recorded, six were by strikeout and four were by groundout. Four of the strikeouts were called.

    "[Catcher] Brad [Ausmus] was giving me a great target, the umpire was a little generous on lefties," Redding said. "Everything was moving pretty good. A couple of two seamers I left up, they were just kind of diving away instead of sliding. The changeup was working well and once I got the feel for my curveball after the second inning I was able to throw a couple of curveballs for strikes."

    Ausmus challenged Redding and the pitcher responded.

    "Brad wasn't afraid to go back and call a pitch twice in a row," Redding said. "He's like, 'Make the adjustment, let's go, I need you to make this pitch.' That's where the confidence factor comes in, throwing to somebody who knows you and has confidence in you."



    Hernandez shines: Left-hander Carlos Hernandez, who is attempting to nail down the fifth spot in the rotation, pitched four scoreless innings in an intrasquad "B" game at Osceola County Stadium in Kissimmee on Saturday morning.

    Hernandez threw 48 total pitches, allowing just one hit. He struck out six and did not issue any walks as the Buffs beat the Colt .45s, 2-0.

    "I thought he threw the ball very well today," Garner said. "He located his fastball well, changed his speeds."

    Hernandez retired 11 consecutive batters before allowing a hit in the fourth inning to infielder Tommy Whiteman.

    Hernandez was 9-4 with a 3.60 ERA in 23 starts at Triple-A New Orleans last season and 1-3 with a 6.43 ERA in nine starts with the Astros. He missed the entire 2003 season after undergoing surgery to repair a small tear of the labrum and another in the rotator cuff on his left shoulder on Feb. 4, 2003.

    Right-hander Pete Munro also pitched four innings in the "B" game as the opposing starter for the Colt .45s. Munro gave up two runs on five hits, struck out three and hit one batter. He did not walk anyone and threw 43 pitches.

    Munro gave up two runs on four hits in the third -- RBI singles by Eric Bruntlett and Trenidad Hubbard.

    Familiar face: Randy Johnson pitches against the Astros on Sunday, offering a chance for Houston first baseman Jeff Bagwell to catch up with his old friend and former teammate.

    "I've had the privilege of playing with two of the best pitchers of all time," Bagwell said, referring to Johnson and Roger Clemens. "There seems to be a lot of similarities and that's no coincidence. Both of them are obviously extremely talented, but both of them put a lot of hard work into it and it certainly shows."

    Johnson was Bagwell's teammate in 1998 and Clemens joined the Astros last season.


    Purpura hobbled:/b Astros general manager Tim Purpura will be on crutches for a while as he recuperates from knee surgery.

    Purpura underwent surgery on Monday in Houston to repair cartilage in his right knee. He had injured the knee while exercising on a treadmill. It was the seventh surgery Purpura has had on the knee and he will be wearing a knee brace for three to four more weeks.

    "I didn't want to have to do it now, but it had to be done," Purpura said.


    Quotable: "He could have pitched. [But] you run the risk if he's got to cover first, you run the risk of him hurting it and then really truly setting himself back." -- Purpura on Andy Pettitte's sprained right ankle


    Extra bases: Eric Bruntlett went 2-for-3 in the "B" game. Also appearing in the game were minor leaguers Todd Self at first base, Alex Eckelman at second base and Kyle Logan in left field. ... Astros director of media relations Jimmy Stanton, a former college first baseman/third baseman, showed he still has the defensive skills when he fielded a foul ball in the press box off the bat of Brandon Phillips during the third inning. Stanton gave the ball to a young fan and drew a round of applause from the crowd.


    On deck: Johnson and the New York Yankees visit sold out Osceola County Stadium on Sunday for a 12:05 p.m. CT game against right-hander Dave Burba and the Astros. Also scheduled to pitch for the Astros are left-hander Mike Gallo, right-hander Chad Harville, left-hander Phil Norton and right-hander Travis Driskill.

    It is the Yankees' only visit to Kissimmee this spring. Standing-room-only tickets will go on sale for $7 at 10 a.m. ET.


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  3. Aceshigh7

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    Man, I don't even want Redding to do well in spring training, cause I know if he makes the team he's just gonna go back to sucking once the regular season starts. I think he's had too many chances.
     
  4. Fegwu

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    Another way of looking at it is that if he continues to do well, he will be easier to move.

    Methinks Astacio will get the 5th spot.

    Is it only me? I am so baseball hungry that I find myself listening to almost every Spring Training games on ESPN790 as much as I can. I cannot wait for the season to start.

    Lane is slugging 0.700 with 3 homers.

    Taveras is batting 0.278 with about 16 at bats, 3 steals and non caught.

    Burke is struggling though with I believe something like 0.133 BA.

    Bring on the Cards.
     
  5. meh

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    Wow, people here with short memories. Redding's only a year removed from a season with an ERA of under 4. He has most definitely the best stuff, and therefore most upside, of any #5 challengers. Yes, this even includes Astacio.

    I know Redding's mental makeup is hardly major league caliber. But the Astros might as well give it another shot. It's not like Redding will kill the season or anything, since we're certainly not contenders.
     
  6. Aceshigh7

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    Oswalt, Clemens, Pettite, Backe, Lidge... How can you say we're not contenders?

    And his season with an ERA under 4 is pretty much meaningless. The guy sucks.
     
  7. BSW

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    My problem with Redding is that he does not seem to be able to stay mentally in the game. If one someone behind him makes an error or he starts to lose control of his pitches he loses it and you can even see it in his face. Another thing that has really got to me is that he is talking like he deserves the 5th spot in stating...if I am not the starter than you should just trade me. I do not think he is any position to demand a trade.

    Go about your business and shut up. Prove you are a starter and don't just say that you are.
     
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    Agreed. He's got aruebly the best overall stuf out of all our pitchers. I remeber following the guy in AA before he ever came up and if memory serves correct the last time i had checked he was around 10-1 with an ERA just about 2. Roy, Wade, and Carlos never had those numbers.

    The guy just has learn the mental part of the game and not to throw the ball over the midle of the plate. I think he has too much natural talent just to give up on. If the Astros really wanted to trade Redding, wee could get a couple really good prospects. GM's around the league know what he is capable of.
     
  9. Nick

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    Redding's 2003 year, although better than anything he's ever done, was not as productive as those stats may indicate.

    He still hardly ever pitched past the 6th inning, had the same up and down pattern that he's showed in the other years (he actually had to be sent down before he started to produce that season), he still had the same mental breakdowns (not being able to finish innings after errors, leading to several unearned runs) and in the end... he followed up that year with a terrible 2004, so it really doesn't matter what he did 2 years ago.

    I agree that its all mental at this point... but that's not a "small" hurdle to get over. There's been plenty of players and pitchers who have had the stuff to be MLB calibur, but something always held them back... this might be the case with Redding.

    He'll get another chance this year... but guys who have had less chances than him have already showed far more success (Brandon Backe, Brad Lidge, Chad Qualls), so I don't believe the Astros need to continue to accomodate him when there could be players who could do more sooner.
     
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    gotta sell high here after that outing
     
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    Yeah I agree. Im not sold on one fluke outing by Redding. His next outing he might give up 5 runs in the 1st inning.
     
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    Frankly, there'd be no better place to trade him to than Cleveland... who just saw first hand what he can do when the stars are aligned.

    They have a pretty good farm system, and some young good hitters already in the majors.

    Plus, we already took them for a ride on the Jeriome Robertson trade... might as well do it again.
     
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    What do we have here? Dave Burba pitching 4 scoreless 2 hit innings against Randy Johnson and the Yankees. The last thing we need now is Burba stealing the 5th spot away from Astacio (or at worst Hernandez)

    Oh btw Nick I agree with your last take.
     
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    I would be happy to send Redding to the A's to let him join Saaraloos (sp) and Dotel for Byrnes. He is someone that I think could play center quite well.
     
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    I don't see why it's a big deal that he doesn't pitch past the 6th inning. How many of our other #5 starters in the past season did?

    My whole point boils down to options. If not Redding, then who? Astacio is by all accounts not ready. And all our other options are NOT major league pitchers. They're not even close. I mean, Duckworth? Burba? Munro? All of them are scrubs that only Leo Mazzoni can turn into solid starters. Sure, Redding just might suck again. But barring a huge leap in Astacio's development, all other other #5 options are GUARANTEED to suck.
     
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    Surely you're not kidding. Have you seen our lineup? How many positions do you feel we have an above average player at?
     
  17. Nick

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    Nothing is guaranteed... and who really knows how close or far away Astacio is until he gets here and is thrown right in?

    Also, I was under the impression that we were all hoping for the future Redding that could be a bonafied number 2 or 3 starter... not just some journeyman #5. If that's all we're expecting from him, than I don't really care enough... he SHOULD be at least able to do that.

    (btw, in 2003... he was really our #3 starter... so yes, it was a problem when he couldn't go past 5 or 6 innings.)
     
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    we need tim or someone else to really step it up this year!
     

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