Approaching this from a different angle: What does the Sengun/Amen combo need to make it work?

I'd add Reed-Sengun PnR with Amen roaming the baseline and two shooters (Bari and Tari?) spreading the floor.

 

Um, OKC last year? IHart didn't shoot 3s, and Chet was dogwater from 3 during last year's playoffs. He basically only took a couple a game during the Finals. Lu Dort was pretty bad, too, only hitting .34 of his three point shots last postseason. OKC was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams last playoffs. They hit less than .34 of their 3s during last year's postseason. Didn't seem to hurt them much.

 

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The players you cited are at least respected from the 3 point line, defenses can't do what they do with Amen on offense. No way you're leaving Dort wide open every possession. Same can be said for Chet, who's also more than capable from midrange. It's not even close to the same scenario.

And even if I agreed with you (which I don't), that's one team in 10 years. Some of yall want us to try to beat those odds just so we can keep Amen? He's not that good of a player man, I'm sorry. If he had a shot he would be our best prospect, he just doesn't and the repercussions for a wing player not being able to shoot are bigger than some people seem to realize.

 

I'm not sure you read your previous post.

So when did they make it work well before with movement shooters and cutters?

 

Yeah, just blowout minutes basically.

 

Sengun at elbow and Amen in dunker has already failed. Every single person tasked with driving to the basket in that setup has struggled with efficiency, turnovers or volume.

You can't design an offense where the most effective and impactful shot in basketball - drive for 2 - is the hardest. You can't clog your own paint, that is what everyone is trying to avoid.

You're not good at 3's AND you're packing the paint? Total waste of time.

 

Lube

 

more evidence Okogie is the Real Franchise Player™

 

Yeah, let's build around this hyperathletic freak, masquerading as a point guard with no shot!

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Pistons fans don’t talk this way about Ausar. Hawks fans don’t talk this way about Dyson Daniels. Thunder fans don’t talk this way about Lu Dort. Magic fans don’t talk this way about Jalen Suggs. Pelicans fans don’t talk this way about Herb Jones. Raptors/Knicks fans don’t talk this way about OG Anunoby. Blazers fans don’t talk this way about Matisse Thybulle or Toumani Camara. Not even sure Cavs fans are still pretending Mobley is someone they’re building around (or will build around)

But Rocktards fans be like “OMG, we must pay him whatever he wants and build around him! He is the franchise player!”

WeLl AmEiZ iS BeTtEr ThAn AlL tHoSe GuYs!

Act like this ninja is prime Kawhi Leonard, prime Jimmy Buckets, prime/pre-injury PG.

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What is he @cheke64

 

Amen is a role player now.

 

Pistons are a BAD 3 point shooting team. They have same no shooting issue as the Rockets. They actually are worse, in shooting a bottom 1/3rd percentage on bottom 5 attempts. (They even have a Thompson twin for the similarity)

But they the have best NBA record. So "non floor spacer" team CAN work. What makes the Pistons work?

2 point field goals. Pistons and Rockets are same in 2 point attempts per game. But Rockets are near WORST in 2's, while Pistons are middle of the pack. Then Pistons are:
- #1 in both steals & blocks
- #1 in causing turnovers
- #1 scoring points off turnovers
- #2 in fast break points
- #2 in points in the paint

Simplistically, a main difference is Pistons create points off their turnovers, & run for fast breaks points. They're doing what "Terror Twins" theoretically do. Then that elephant in the room.. Cade Cunningham actually being a steady hand point guard helps their sets

Suggestion: The Rockets dealt away their running transition legs in Jalen Green, Brooks, & Whitmore. For old Durant & hobbled slow Finney Smith. Even VanVleet played at faster pace than this current team, so his loss hurts that as well.

Trying to turn Amen into Cade wont work. But maybe just try to do more terror twinning transition turnovers work. Gimmick it like they did with offensive rebounding

 

Golden State with Draymond and Kevon Looney? Miami with Butler and Bam? Lakers starting both AD and Dwight in the playoffs? And that Lakers team was pretty terrible from deep in general. Not saying Sengun/Amen are guaranteed to work like those examples, just saying they can succeed.

 

Honestly, as great as him setting the culture was, he actually may be worse overall than Silass just because the players actually seem to get worse under Ime, he grinds them down and kills all of their offensive skill. Alpi was on a great trajectory - trash now.

 

It doesn't change that. Trading him doesn't change the fact that Sengun is one too - but it does eliminate the problem of having them both in the game at the same time.

 

A) Play tough
B) Don’t get punked
C) Play defense

 

"Ime Udoka's offensive system"

 

This is about where I'm at.

Pistons actually are much worse 3 point team than the Rockets. But have NBA best record. And they don't have a unicorny 12 foot wingspan guy vacuuming up shortcomings like the Spurs, they're basically rich man's East Rockets just better at it.

Ironically meaning, non shooters team can work now

But Rockets werent too good to do an offensive rebounds & triple bigs approach, being so intensely old school that it turned into a gimmick. So try the old Moreyball beta testkit Chris Finch in Rio Grande "f**k it just everyone drive to the rim YMCA style - It worked for Great Britain team! " gimmick that they didnt materialize with the Rockets

All your non-conventional trend are belong to Houston.

 

Stone: “FVV and Adams will be back, problem solved”.