Ime is not a championship coach

What’s the ****ing point if he’s not going to play a pg that isn’t FVV or a forward?

this guy didn’t even play his fest 3pt shooters when down 3 on an offensive only and last possession!!

it really doesn’t get worse than that

 

Ime deserves to be held to account for his decisions, because the buck stops with him, but we have to also ask what the hell all these assistants are doing? It’s like a 20-man staff I see sitting there doodling, whispering, joking with one another all game. Not one bothers to dress in proper attire. Not one of them could hold a candle to a Jim Boylen, a Larry Smith, a Bill Berry.

 

Ime’s Portland/San Antonio buddies.

Ben Sullivan (fellow Portlander, VC in San Antonio, assistant in Boston & Houston)
Royal Ivey (assistant with Ime in Brooklyn)
Garrett Jackson (fellow Portlander, VC in San Antonio, assistant in Boston & Houston)
Cam Hodges (assistant with Ime in San Antonio, Philly & Houston)
Will Dunn (no connections to Ime! Rockets VC/assistant going back to D’Antoni/Silas)
Josh Bostic (“He’d first met Udoka years earlier in Belgium through a teammate, Dominic Waters, who like Udoka grew up in Portland and played at Portland State.”)
Robbie Lemons (no apparent connections? 1st year on staff. Previously worked for Kings under Joerger/Walton/Brown/Christie)

Former:
Mike Moser (assistant in Boston, played for Ime’s AAU team lol; left for Denver)
Tiago Splitter (player for Spurs when Ime was assistant; assistant with Ime in Brooklyn & Houston; left for Paris, returned to Portland)

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...a-aau-garrett-jackson-mike-moser-20784845.php

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-ime-udoka-coaching-staff-18183464.php

Does that sound like people who will push back and tell him “you’re wrong” or a bunch of yes men friends?

“I think Ime — and this is what makes him a good coach — he sees himself in his players a lot,” Moser said

Yeah, no wonder the roster is with 10 forwards, 5 centers no guards, no shooting. Bunch of shitty Ime Udoka’s who have no talent, can’t play, but gotta scrap & hustle and do the “dirty work” to get any minutes. @DaDakota called it.

He may have served under Pop but he damn sure ain’t no Pop disciple.

 

(Karalis is Celtics SI writer)


Brought great defense and culture, but had no idea what to do on offense. His lack of accountability and constant calling out of players was a nice change of pace but wore thin quickly.

Bill Simmons & his pops didn't like Ime when they were 25-25 in 21/22(all the same issues we see now) but loved him after they went on a heater otw to the 22 Finals. Then they felt betrayed by Ime's timing b/c they loved Will Hardy & wanted him to be the interim HC but he was hired by Utah earlier in the summer. They initially had 0 faith in "2nd Row Joe" b/c of his personality & interviews lol. But then they learned to appreciate him in spite of his quirks due to his BBIQ & modern offensive approach, especially in contrast to Ime.

He really hasn’t evolved since his time in Boston. Some of our fans overrate him a bit cause we went to the finals but just being honest Mazzulla is a better coach for the modern NBA

Same as when he left: High floor guy, Will get everyone playing D and playing hard (which gives you like a 35-win minimum), pretty limited on offense which means a relatively low ceiling

I think he’s an elite defensive coach but the offensive end especially late in games it was bad.

Good motivator, good defensive coach and can set a culture. Not a chip level coach and his blame game gimmick gets old fast

If he’s your head defensive coach he’s great. His offenses stink and he shouldn’t be a head coach

I will never forgive him for playing drop coverage against Steph Curry in the damn finals…

Great defensive coach but the man is allergic to offense

Ime has no idea how to coach offense. And he has one motivational button. “Call everything p*****s and b****es”. Which the Jays needed for one season. It would have run dry the next season. I thank him for his horniness on the daily.

Not counting the covid season the jays have had a top 5 offense every season but one. You can guess who the coach was for that one season

A great motivator and a great defensive coach, but you can’t overlook the common theme of his teams being that they struggle offensively when things get tight.

I'm glad to be away from Iso only offense, his media is embarrassing to whatever franchise he's apart of. The defense is certainly solid but 2 top 3 dpoy candidates definitely help. Joe is a much better coach, Ime still above average, champion level top assistant for defense.

Stubborn defensively, though very good obviously. Runs an extremely dated offense and stubbornly won’t adjust on that. Consistently throws his players under the bus, publicly. And off the court, he still acts like he’s a player lol.

I think he helped instill a level of toughness that was needed but was way more limited tactically as a coach than it seemed at the time…the cracks that showed in the finals seem to be more fatal flaws than learning experiences

Ime’s comp is Thibs. He’ll raise your floor, but his blind spots will limit your ceiling.

My impression is that he’s an elite defensive coach, but struggles to put together a cohesive offensive scheme. I feel like Joe is an infinitely better coach. Gets way more buy in because you can tell he cares about his players. Never liked Ime’s tact with the press


“You see Joe’s toughness and stubbornness. He’s a relentless worker. He has a passion to learn. Joe is a leader, and I think this was a difficult situation with the high expectations the team had coming in. I don’t think there’s anybody there that doesn’t believe that Joe is better than Ime (Udoka) as a coach.”

 

Yep. Anyone still blaming all this on "lack of guards" is delusional.

Ime just simply lacks the coaching ability. Thats why he wanted Durant. Its easy to just throw a guy like that out there and say getcme points over the long haul. But when hes off or teams scheme him out Ime has no answers except put more defense out there. Thats why he blows leads so much.

Because when the opposing team is making shots even against his best defenders (which nba teams tend to do) hes got nothing on the other end.

Its easy to just get a bunch of defenders and bank on their ability to win you sone games. Anybody can do that. Good coaches can strategize, scheme and use a players strengths and scheme around their weaknesses. Ime hasnt shown he can do anything besides be tough and throw good defenders on the court. Reed was getting you good offense last night and he wasnt bleeding points defensively. Going to a guy like dfs because you have some idea of him being this lengthy good defender while removing the one guy who was consistently getting good offense is the reason why he'll be fired.

 

this is crazy. i had no idea.

 

Clearly showing blown leads and bad offense isnt a lack of Fred thing. Its an Ime thing.

 

So Celtics fans say pretty much the exact same things as what we are saying.

It confirms that it's not just Clutchfans negativity.

 

When has it been this blatant?

do we need to tell Udoka or does he need an offensive assistant to tell him to play good 3pt shooters and not the worst in the league for a 3pt game coming out of a timeout he has had time to think about this with just 2 seconds to go?


How is there any way to mask that level of incompetence

 

Personally speaking I lean towards coaches that do more X's / O's because it's more tangible information players can use. That said, things like motivation is useful (especially with young players). There's also the friendships/connections, which Ime (and his crew Royal), helps in recruiting guys like a KD. So there are positive qualities.

Can argue, X/Os can also be something an assistant can be tasked with.

Realitically speaking because I think Stone and Patrick are high on Ime, get a new offensive coordinator from outside to help on the offense.

Probably the most realistic outcome, as I don't see Tilman eating all that money after Ime got extended.

 

exactly.

you can just see his lack of bball iq.

DD

 

Wow. If people don't click on that thread to see what Celtics fans are saying, they're missing out. Like over 90% of Celtics fans are glad he's gone and believe he's not salvageable offensively.

Ime's career
Year 1: I only have Brown and Tatum
Year 2: these kids suck
Year 3: it's Jalen's fault
Year 4: how can we win without Fred!!

Here are some of the most damning replies:

 

How will getting an assistant help a narcissist? I'll give you a hint, it won't. He won't listen and he will still be in charge of the rotations and the strategy. There is no solution other than firing Ime or having so much talent nobody can beat you. Forget 3 superstars, you'll need 5.

 

Costs nothing but Tilman’s money to move on. No dead money, nothing against the salary cap, no need to attach picks to get off. Nothing but Tilman’s money. Or whatever, continue to bang your head against the wall. “Just get Fred & Steve back.” And continue to trade away piece by piece. Trade Jalen. Trade Cam. Trade Reed. Trade Sengun. Trade Jabari. And oh wow, Amen is the only piece left?!

 

I’m going to say this, in most other sports, the coach needs help because he has deficiencies. Ime, especially on offense and his defensive schemes have slipped.
A good GM sees that and gets him help, not quit on the season

Reed is not guaranteed to hit an open 3, nor is Jabari , Eason maybe, Sengun started off blazing from 3 then sulked his way into whatever he is now and DFS is absolute trash, but shot 41% from 3 last season
Thats not all on coach