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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Verbal Christ, Sep 9, 2024.

  1. K9Texan

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    You said they don't watch all-22. Go back and read it for yourself. Don't blame me for what you typed.
     
  2. Blatz

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    My first post on this


    My 2nd post


    You’re lifting one clause, stripping it of context, and treating it as if it represents my entire claim. In the very same paragraph, I explicitly said the grades released immediately after the game are produced before All-22 is available, using only the broadcast angle — and that they wait for the All-22 later to reevaluate. That distinction is right there in the text, and it comes directly from PFF’s own evaluators, which I linked in my first post.

    Again, watching All-22 after an initial guess doesn’t resolve the issue. You can watch more film and a guess is still a guess — and it can still be wrong.

    Nothing you’ve posted addresses the unresolved problem: if evaluators are inferring assignments, then the grade is still a guess converted into a number, regardless of later All-22 review. Additional film can reduce error, but it doesn’t change the fact that these grades are built on inferred intent and responsibility.
     
  3. K9Texan

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    PFF is a tool. It's one tool. The reader is free to skip my PFF content or put me on "ignore" altogether.
     
  4. K9Texan

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    I would like us to our first pick on an OT simply because I think that's our best chance to get a good one. I am not sold, however, on Kadyn Proctor, who I see mocked to us repeatedly. Most say he can play guard for us but I prefer someone with more lateral quickness and who can play RT. I also believe that we can obtain (hopefully) a quality guard and center in our first 4 picks. I would do T, G, RB, C. And then I'd go TE and WR with our two 4th round picks but I'll stop there because this isn't the draft thread.
     
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    Looking ahead this week at Centers at the combine. These five would make the most sense for the Texans in the draft with their current offensive scheme.

    1. Connor Lew- Auburn
    2. Sam Hecht- Kansas State
    3. Pat Coogan- Indiana
    4. Jager Burton- Kentucky
    5. Brian Parker- Duke

    I have high grades on Logan Jones, Jake Slaughter, and Parker Brailsford, but I see them being highly coveted by outside zone blocking schemes and I expect them to be drafted by the 2nd round or early 3rd. My preference would be Pat Coogan who would be plug in play. Coogan would be like adding a FA to the roster. When you watch his tape he is by far the most technically sound of the group. Brian Parker would be interesting. He played RT last year, but he is clearly built as a center or guard. Parker you could start next year at Guard and then move him to Center the following year.
     
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    I would put DJ Campbell in your group based on your criteria... I would like to see his SS time (4.6 or below and color me impressed)
     
  7. raining threes

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    PFF is a tool to be used.

    As they say you can use numbers to say almost anything. Numbers sometimes lie.
     
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    I would add Trey Zuhn to the Center list.
     
  9. Housport

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    Trey Zuhn is an interesting prospect. He's 6;6 with less than 33 inch arms. Obviously, he will not continue to play tackle at the NFL level. And you can see Zuhn struggling with reach on tape. But he also does not have the build to play inside. He's long legged and doesn't have the compact build to be an effective guard or center. I like Aggies, but Zuhn is a prospect I would let another team pick.
     
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    What do you think about Keylan Rutledge as a potential Center for us? He played LG at Tech, but showed reps at C and RG at Senior Bowl. He's got a great frame and solid base, just don't know about line calls and adjustments.
     
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    Rutledge has ideal size and frame to play both Guard and Center. :) The coaches will have to find out if he can call out protections at the line.
     
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    I just watched some of the limited tape on OT Ethan Onianwa out of Ohio State. He did not earn the starting RT job at Ohio State, but he looked really good at the Senior Bowl. He looks like a great sleeper pick in the draft that can play either guard or tackle. He's from the Katy area originally, so he's a homegrown talent.
     
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    I'm an Ohio State fan and we should pass on him.
     
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    Interesting. There's not a lot of film on him because he didn't start. There is film of him at Rice, but he hadn't grown into his body at that time. I see that his weight has been as high as 350 and as low as 310. At the Senior Bowl he was at 330. What was discerning about Ethan's performance at Ohio State?
     
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    Ohio State was awful at right guard and, for whatever reason, he couldn't get on the field, even at right guard. Fans were excited to have him after he transferred but he didn't work out.
     
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    What say you guys about Braden Smith? Looks like Indianapolis is going to let him walk, could he be what we are looking for at RT for the next few seasons? Seems from a little reading that he is a good outside zone OT which is what the Texans run, right? Would the cap space be better spent on Ingram, Smith or someone else along with a pick or 2 to help out the OL?

    My plan:
    RT - Braden Smith/Blake Fisher/Austin Barber
    RG - Tytus Howard/Keylan Rutledge/Jarrett Patterson or Juice Scruggs
    C - Jake Andrews/Keylan Rutledge/Jarrett Patterson or Juice Scruggs
    LG - Emmanuel Pregnon/Keylan Rutledge/Jarrett Patterson or Juice Scruggs
    LT - Aireontae Ersery/Austin Barber/Blake Fisher
     
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    Smith has a long injury history.

    I wouldn't risk paying him for more than 1 year.
     
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    I don't believe he'll elevate our OL.
     
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    This draft class has a huge surplus of Guards this year. Teams will be able to find starting guards all the way through the fifth round. I'm real excited to see what the Texans are able to bring to the team this year through the draft.
     
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    It seems like he has missed 4 or 5 games in 4 seasons but one of those was due to an OCD issues (apparently he prayed too much - management would love him). Anything you are aware of that is chronic?

    The draw for me is that the Texans can move Howard into Ingram's spot if Smith can play RT. Unless he has an injury that is going to be a problem with him playing I think Id rather devote the coin to Smith than to Ingram. If Ingram can be had for $10M or $12M then that's my preference on a 2 or 3 year deal. But if he wants more and can find it on the market Im not going there if Im Casserio.
     

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