ICE murders civilian in Minneapolis

Just complete vandals, literally smashing their cars into other cars in the middle of the street, beating people nearly to death, and leaving the wreckage behind for whoever to clean up.

 

That was what they said with the Reagan era amnesty. It is too messy to deport them, but we will cut it off here and not allow it in the future. This is pretending to have immigration laws and instead just declaring that none of it counts every few decades. Separation of families is the worst of the arguments. When people commit crimes, the penalty often separates them from their family. In the case of immigration violations, they even (generally speaking) have the option of taking their family with them, so it isn't even forced separation.

It is as orderly as any other 11 million airline flights.

 

Being forced to physically remove someone from an area they don't want to leave is an ugly business.

From tenants who are being evicted to illegal aliens being detained and deported.

Don't blame the authorities.

Blame the people in violation of the law.

 

We didn't effectively address the immigration policy going forward after the Reagan amnesty and allowed the problem to develop all over again. Doesn't mean the amnesty was a problem, just that the wink-wink immigration law was a problem. People come because they want to work and we want to hire. So we need to get real and make an immigration law that lets us hire them legitimately, or else effectively enforce so that we cannot hire under the table. But, I recognize that is a tall order for a Congress that can't do much of anything. Maybe that falls in the not-realistic bucket. Even short of a functioning immigration policy, I still prefer an amnesty that incentivizes another crisis 40 years from now over what we have right now.

I don't have much regard for this argument. For one, are we talking about a crime here where the offender has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty? Or are we talking about an administrative condition where the executive branch can summarily remove you -- the one we are generally seeing at play today. If it is the latter, or especially if we are talking about voluntary self-deportation (where this started), we're not talking about crimes.

Second, crime or not, and regardless of whether the crime in question is immigration related or drugs or violence or anything else -- the punishment that separates families is still a social blight that harms our country. Doesn't mean we don't put bad people in prison, but you do need to acknowledge that it hurts everyone around them. Mass incarceration has done a ton of damage to the black communities of our country. And mass deportation will do the same to our Hispanics.

Third, I don't think illegal immigration should be much of a crime at all, particularly in the US context where we've had more than a half-century of benign neglect on its enforcement. So people came when there was an understanding they could stay and work if they kept their noses clean and then one day we tell them that the rules have changed -- and somehow they are the ones who should have known better from the start.

 

Honestly why anybody would listen to this dead-end bald dope with no kids or family talk about family separatoin is beyond me.

Nobody is actually stupid enough to believe the lie that this is a simple law enforcement matter rather than ethnic cleansing and a state sponsored terror campaign. Has jack **** to do with "enforcing the laws" because the laws themselves are literally being changed on the fly, iillegally and the overwhelming majority of people being shipped off to for profit gulags paid for with your tax dollars are in compliance with the law.

Meanwhile the actual situation is a bunch of white supremacist thugs in masks and body armor are terroizing people without regard to any laws or rules or process, committing dozens or hundreds of crimes every single day - that is actually what is happening on the ground.

The reason why BBS poster @StupidMoniker is in favor of this (and the Renee Good murder and the Alex Pretti murder and many many other crimes) is not because of "the laws" or anything like that, it's because he's in favor of a regime of ethnic cleansing and state terror and I guess massive corruption and elite looting and pedophile cabals as well.

Not surprising to anyone, very boring, not useful or helpful to anybody.

 

I have family, of course. What an odd thing to say. I am also not bald, don't know where you came up with that one. People on this BBS have met me in person. I also don't know why it would be relevant to my opinion. Does your hairline determine your right to comment on issues?

Why are they not terrorizing people in Texas, despite deporting 50 times as many people? It is almost like the deportations are not causing the terrorism, it is the resistance. You know who isn't in compliance with the law? Illegal immigrants.

I haven't commented on the propriety of the Alex Pretty shooting. The Renee Good shooting will be determined to be lawful, in my estimation. I don't support the President or his administration. I am also in favor of open borders (after we get rid of all welfare spending), because I believe in the free movement of goods and labor.

Your "responses" to me are always non-responsive, and therefor, not very meaningful.

As George W. Bush would say, Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.

The crime is illegally crossing the border. Having the status of an illegal immigrant, though not in itself a crime, does have a prescribed penalty. The penalty is just deportation, not jail or prison (which is what makes it not a crime). No, having the status of illegal immigrant doesn't require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, it is an administrative determination. You either have the required permission to be here or you do not.

I disagree that the punishment that separates families is a social blight. Consequences are the necessary predicate for rules to have meaning. If this happens, that is the consequence. Otherwise, they are merely meaningless suggestions. Mass incarceration has done wonders to lower violent crime rates, primarily through removing bad actors from society. A relatively small amount of the population is responsible for the vast majority of the crime. Removing those people from society is an incredible boon, not a social blight.

That understanding was just them hoping they wouldn't be deported (or deported again, because many people are deported and come back. There was no agreement that they would never be deported, they just never got caught and removed (and in some cases, actors actively prevented the government from doing so). People drive over the speed limit all the time, but there is nothing wrong with police enforcing the speed limit. Paying that fine is the risk you take every time you choose to drive over the speed limit. Even if you do it every day and have for decades, nothing stops you from being pulled over tomorrow and getting a speeding ticket, and that isn't unfair to you in any way.

 

You absolutely are bald - you linked to a picture of yourself here a long time ago.

Honestly I don't care or bother to dig it up but just noting that you're starting out with an obvious lie (unless you had hair replacement since, good for you if you did)

The rest of your post is all just lie too.

Legally being in the US and then to have them retroactively change the rules (or even intentionally disobeying them!) does not make one a criminal either de facto or in reality.

It's just a complete falsehood to state otherwise. You expect us to believe you advise people for money for legal services and you... don't know the definition of a crime.

Doubtful!

You do know that, you are just lying again.

Obv your love of ethnic cleansing & authoritarian violence causes you to tell such lies. You tell other lies too - in fact violent criminal behavior (by ICE) is happening in Texas too.

It is not sad, it is just what you do here. Whatever, it's as boring as you are.

 

Absolutely, same with yard work, cheap vegetables, day care and the rest.

 

Allow me to shed light on what you are not grasping. If illegal aliens are allowed to stay, a powerful incentive is broadcast to those considering entering our great nation illegally. If illegal aliens are kicked out, then those considering illegal entry are deterred. It speaks to behavioral science and human motivation. I do not believe the intention is ethnic cleansing. I do believe there is a strong desire to root out fraud and crime, and some illegal communities have massive problems with this -- Somalis, Haitians, many Muslims. This is well documented. Furthermore, it's an obvious disaster waiting to happen when you have free health insurance + open borders -- this is the Democrats' solution. This will lead to economic collapse -- the cost of millions upon millions of illegals on free benefits will destroy our country. This shouldn't need to be explained to educated men.

My thought is this: If you want to come to our country, you must come in the front door. You must wait in line. You can't skip the line or sneak in through a window. And if you commit further crimes while here, then I think we should imprison those people at Gitmo and once their sentence is over, then deport them to their home country. It's accountability. It's law enforcement. It's protecting our civilization. And it's very fair and supported by a majority of Americans.


GOOD DAY

 

Agree!

Hundreds of billions for ICE and homeland security to search for criminals and round up all illegals, including those who committed no crime other than crossing the border shouldn't be the priority. It's a huge waste of money.

Imagine if they used that money to provide much needed rape kits and funding at police departments to take care of the backlogs sitting on shelves to be tested. Image if some of those billions were put into task forces going after gang leaders, drug King Pens, sex traffickers, murder investigations, child abuse investigations, and tracking down rapists, robbers, the most wanted criminals in America, domestic terrorists, pedos, illegal arms dealers, and every other dangerous human being in our country, whether illegal or not.

Makes you think ethnic cleansing and getting rid of brown skinned folks is the bigger priority in this administration, even when 70% or more of them aren't even dangerous to anyone.

 

Sick **** - US citizens & toddlers in Idaho pepper sprayed flash banged & zip tied by brutal gang of ICE thugs in raid

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-immigration-raid-zipties-aclu-lawsuit-ice-rcna258611



Their crime? Going to a race track popular with Latinos - since Idaho is run by racists, the state government helped

 

and you’ll have Latinos on here and in real life still simping and bootlicking for the regime

I could never be that desperate for approval from people who hate my existence

 

Sorry, I am not. My hairline has not changed from pictures I have from 30 years ago. Again, I have no idea what that has to do with anything, but it seems an odd thing to make up.

None of it, actually.

What about the 11 million plus people not legally in the US.

I don't advise anyone anymore, and I get paid by the county.

I am not sure what you are saying is doubtful.

I don't know what you are claiming I know, that I am claiming I don't.

It seems we only have the statement of the alleged victim, but even his statement indicates flight in a vehicle and resisting arrest, so it wouldn't be surprising (nor criminal) for ICE to use force to detain him. The article also states that his father's (who was with him) immigration status is unclear. So in 250,000 deportations, you managed to find one in which non-lethal force was used against a fleeing suspect (who ICE it seems may be doing their job to detain) and you think that disproves what I said?

No, you are quite sad, and pathetic.

 

@Salvy
@ROXRAN
@RB713
Here’s another good logical point

 

Bald boring Nick Fuentes John Galt hybrid has some thoughts and lies on behalf of the county

Thank you for your attention to this matter

 

One democrat in the house voted for the Save Act. That’s a solid politician who actually listens to his voters. Need more of this.

 

11 million airline flights are voluntary transactions where people choose to travel. This would be 11 million people forced to abandon their homes, businesses, and families - many with U.S. citizen children who would either be separated or forced to leave the only country they've ever known.

These are people who have lived here for 10, 20, 30 years. Many own homes, run businesses, and have careers. Their children are U.S. citizens. Some arrived as children themselves and have no meaningful connection to their birth country. Others fled conditions that remain dangerous.

If millions left voluntarily, the immediate effects would be severe. Construction, agriculture, food service, and healthcare would face sudden labor shortages. Communities would lose workers, business owners, and tax revenue. Schools would lose students mid-year. The economic disruption would be significant.

There's also the human cost. Family separation affects those left behind. In a recent Conroe case, a 12-year-old U.S. citizen was left behind after her mother was deported to Honduras and was subsequently starved, tortured, and abused by the adults entrusted with her care.

Court documents: Conroe sisters starved, tortured 12-year-old, made her ‘bark like a dog’

There is nothing orderly about this.

 

****ing depraved. ****.