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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Pringles09, Feb 7, 2026.

  1. Stephen_A

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    Pretty sure Udoka is a real NBA coach with several years of professional experience as a coach and player.

    Sheppard didn’t play because he wasn’t good enough. Has nothing to do with Green. They don’t even play the same positions.

    Tari has developed quite a bit especially his handling and shooting. Jabari Smith has improved his handling, pullup jumpshot and midrange.
     
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    Post of Super Bowl Sunday!!
     
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    You know this. How?
     
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    “Trust me bro”

    But castle does shoot better, not by much though
     
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    Well for one, Castle shoots them. It’s easier to improve when you’re actively taking shots beyond 5 feet. Amen is scared to even take ft line jumpers. So yea, Castle can’t shoot but I put my money on the guy who is confident enough to take them.
     
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    Castle takes 10% of his shots from 10-16 and 2% from long mid range, Amen takes 12% from 10-16 and 6.5% from long midrange, so what you said it factually the opposite of what's happened in real life. Castle does take way more 3s but is obviously beyond horrific at it.
     
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    Amen's FT improvement gives me hope that his shooting mechanic can be fixed.

    Coaching might have played a role on how confident the players, not just Amen, are shooting.
     
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    You may not believe it with your eye test. Amen actually shoots ore midrange (10-3pt line) than Castle does. Castle does shoot much more 3s than Amen.

    The thing is, Amen takes more FGA at higher efficiency. I don't how people still claim that he is less of a shooter than Castle.

    Funny I have posted the objective data. The Castle worshipers still claim Castle is a better player not by using counter data argument but simply throw in subjective opinions basically saying that, "I just THINK Castle is better."

    See my sig: "If we have data, let's look at data. If all we have are opinions, let's go with mine." :D
     
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    If you think that’s a good post then you’re dumber than I thought you were
     
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    Amen shoots 26% mid range compared to Castle’s 45%

    what does 10-3pt line mean?

    Mid range is any shot outside the paint and below the 3 pt line.
     
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    So now we are shifting Castle to compare to Amen instead of Reed, that itself explains how much Castle has grown to be compared to a player more senior than his own Draft classmate......

    And mind you to be compared to once upon a time called the new Face of the Franchise and even the league.

     
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    How do you define mid range? NBA defines midrange as: 2 point field goals from outside the paint

    For example: a 10 ft shot in the paint isn’t a mid range shot. It’s considered points in the paint (PITP). But a 10 ft shot on baseline outside the paint is a mid range.

    Reposting here a quick breakdown of their shooting and range they shot from:

    Castle’s overall jumpshot % (including 3s) is .364 compared to Amen’s .319

    He is shooting from 10 < 16 ft is .442 to Amen’s .358.

    10-14 ft 46% to Amen’s 37%

    Mid range 45% to Amen’s 26.7%

    pullup J 33% to Amen’s 28%

    driving layup 44% to Amen’s 40%
     
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    Castle takes 1 midrange shot a game. It’s irrelevant what percentage he shoots basically, because he doesn’t take those shots. I was using the bball reference shot distances, i’m guessing you used nba.com ones. Castle is a “better” shooter than amen in the same sense that a pitcher with an era of 14 is “better” than a pitcher with an era of 12. Nobody cares if amen takes a jumper, nobody cares if castle takes one. For castle to be a better player than amen he would need to become a legit high volume high % shooter.
     
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    Not merely a good post, it’s The Post Of Super Bowl Sunday!! Right back atcha!!!
     
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    10 ft to 3pt line. My bad for missing the "ft".

    Yeah, that's anything outside the paint to below the 3pt line. Amen shot more than Castle. Neither guy shoots a lot from there. Claiming that Castle is the better midrange shooter because "he's not afraid to shoot" is a big stretch. I'd give you that Castle is not afraid to shoot 3s. But he's terrible at it.

    Again, Amen is better than Castle in almost every statistical category. There is no objective evidence to support that claim that Castle is better than Amen. In fact, I would venture to say that apart from the Reed haters, very few people in the league would value Castle over Amen.
     
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    This comparison would not have occurred if those Reed haters didn't make the outrageous claim that Castle was not only better than Reed but also better than Amen.
     
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    Those numbers aren’t irrelevant. The fact is he shoots with higher accuracy than Amen. He still took 42 shots in 42 games compared to Amen’s 75 shots in 50. That’s only .5 more shots a game more for Amen. In the ranges i just showed he has been more accurate. There are other numbers that support Amen but the numbers I showed here shows Castle as having better percentages than Amen.
     
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    Maybe I agree, though people cannot deny the fit of Castle and Harper, they are Popovich type of players.

    • They also fit so well with Wemby that the Spurs are thinking about trading Fox who hasn't been there long.
    • Reed's fit under the Ime regime would be classified as meh at best.
    • Amen can't even be played when opponents put AD or another big on him.

     
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    Amen is shooting 20% on half the 3PA. Castle is shooting 28% at league average volume.

    That gap is larger than you'd like to think. The gap between them is larger than the gap between Castle and Jabari. Meaning, Castle is more likely to catch Jabari than Amen is to catch Castle.

    Midrange who cares none of them will ever be good (maybe in 5+ years they become passable). Amen is atrocious (like 39% I think?) and I'm sure Castle is too. To put this in perspective, Castle's 28% 3PT jumper is mathematically more efficient than Amen's midrange.

    So you guys are bickering over peanuts. Amen is better at everything else and most importantly has a much higher IQ and intuitiveness off ball.

    We have the much better player hands down. I wish our organization was ok with Amen taking 4 attempts a game just so we can accelerate his development there. Spurs are just smarter and that's the real danger.
     
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    Using another guy’s post to get back at me because you are emotionally tied to Reed Sheppard and have no answer to my responses to your faulty logic is lame.
     

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