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[Stats] Winning is Cenning: half of the top 20 in WS/48 are Centers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kennysmith, Jan 30, 2026.

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    wat cenning means?
     
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    Enes Kanter had several seasons with a WS/48 over .20

    6 out of his 11 seasons, it was greater than .18
     
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    Because it's a completely meaningless "metric" not a statistic. This is how it's calculated:

    Win Share is a measure that is assigned to players based on their offense, defense, and playing time. WS/48 is win shares per 48 minutes and invented by Justin Kubatko who explains: “A win share is worth one-third of a team win. If a team wins 60 games, there are 180 ‘Win Shares’ to distribute among the players.”

    That is not a real statistic, it's nonsense for nerds to discuss because they can't understand sports without extraneous, pointless over analysis.
     
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    I think Justin is oversimplifying. This is part of the offensive component:
    • ScPoss = (FG_Part + AST_Part + FT_Part) * (1 - (Team_ORB / Team_Scoring_Poss) * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%) + ORB_Part
    where:
    • FG_Part = FGM * (1 - 0.5 * ((PTS - FTM) / (2 * FGA)) * qAST)
    • qAST = ((MP / (Team_MP / 5)) * (1.14 * ((Team_AST - AST) / Team_FGM))) + ((((Team_AST / Team_MP) * MP * 5 - AST) / ((Team_FGM / Team_MP) * MP * 5 - FGM)) * (1 - (MP / (Team_MP / 5))))
    • AST_Part = 0.5 * (((Team_PTS - Team_FTM) - (PTS - FTM)) / (2 * (Team_FGA - FGA))) * AST
    • FT_Part = (1-(1-(FTM/FTA))^2)*0.4*FTA
    • Team_Scoring_Poss = Team_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Team_FTM / Team_FTA))^2) * Team_FTA * 0.4
    • Team_ORB_Weight = ((1 - Team_ORB%) * Team_Play%) / ((1 - Team_ORB%) * Team_Play% + Team_ORB% * (1 - Team_Play%))
    • Team_ORB% = Team_ORB / (Team_ORB + (Opponent_TRB - Opponent_ORB))
    • Team_Play% = Team_Scoring_Poss / (Team_FGA + Team_FTA * 0.4 + Team_TOV)
    • ORB_Part = ORB * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%
    Missed FG and Missed FT Possessions are calculated as follows:
    • FGxPoss = (FGA - FGM) * (1 - 1.07 * Team_ORB%)
    • FTxPoss = ((1 - (FTM / FTA))^2) * 0.4 * FTA
    Total Possessions are then computed like so:
    • TotPoss = ScPoss + FGxPoss + FTxPoss + TOV
    Now, Individual Points Produced must also be calculated:
    • PProd = (PProd_FG_Part + PProd_AST_Part + FTM) * (1 - (Team_ORB / Team_Scoring_Poss) * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%) + PProd_ORB_Part
    where:
    • PProd_FG_Part = 2 * (FGM + 0.5 * 3PM) * (1 - 0.5 * ((PTS - FTM) / (2 * FGA)) * qAST)
    • PProd_AST_Part = 2 * ((Team_FGM - FGM + 0.5 * (Team_3PM - 3PM)) / (Team_FGM - FGM)) * 0.5 * (((Team_PTS - Team_FTM) - (PTS - FTM)) / (2 * (Team_FGA - FGA))) * AST
    • PProd_ORB_Part = ORB * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play% * (Team_PTS / (Team_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Team_FTM / Team_FTA))^2) * 0.4 * Team_FTA))
    full breakdown:
     
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    6MOY!
     
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    As i said, overly convoluted nonsense to dazzle the audience. Never seems to actually line up with reality though, where actual statistics always do, it's funny how that works.
     
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    Like "Batting Average"
     
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    formal
    1. The act of being a center
    2. A team with a stable of productive centers

    informal
    1. Committing immoral acts as a center
    2. Dwight Howard

    References: the Von Wafer interview on youtube about the craziest thing that happened to him in the NBA
     
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    Neemias Queta at #11 on this list
     
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