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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. astros123

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    It's so insane seeing the reaction from these folks about biden demanding aid be delivered to starving folks. These folks @AroundTheWorld have this notion that they have the right time starve folks and have no accountability. They genuinely see no issues in starving a population.

    It's been a eye opening experience seeing the meltdown from these folks at such a simple request that they have to protect aid workers. I've never seen anything more deranged in my life
     
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  2. basso

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    your anti-semitism is showing.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    How ? that guy is a self righteous *******. Also - yeah, he kind of should have to be explain why his country deserves to exist. It is less than 80 years old, after not existing for a thousand years. The people Israel forced out of the land are still there. I’m still waiting for Assyria to comeback. There is no Assyrian homeland, so when do they get their country back?
     
  6. Nook

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    This is true. Arabs care about Palestinians but Arab governments largely do not.
     
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    Dearborn overrun by so many jihadis that they have one representing them in Congress (Rashida Talib - Democrat)

     
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  10. AroundTheWorld

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  11. basso

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    maybe you should wait for the Ottomans.
     
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    I don't think accuracy has ever been a strong point for @basso. it's likely not even even a goal for him in his posting.
     
  13. right1

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    I was not familiar enough with the historical plight of the Assyrian people. Wow. They have been persecuted by Islamists about as much as Jews have over the last 1,400 years...

    Assyrians are almost exclusively Christian. A majority of modern Assyrians have migrated to other regions of the world, including North America, the Levant, Australia, Europe, Russia and the Caucasus. Emigration was triggered by genocidal events throughout the 19th and 20th centuries,, as well as religious persecution by Islamic extremists. The emergence of the Islamic State and the occupation of a significant portion of the Assyrian homeland resulted in another major wave of Assyrian displacement.

    The Assyrians initially experienced periods of religious and cultural freedom interspersed with periods of severe religious and ethnic persecution after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Indigenous Assyrians became second-class citizens (dhimmi) in a greater Arab Islamic state, and those who resisted Arabization and conversion to Islam were subject to severe religious, ethnic, and cultural discrimination and had certain restrictions imposed upon them. they did not enjoy the same political rights as Muslims, their word was not equal to that of a Muslim in legal and civil matters, as Christians they were subject to payment of a special tax (jizya), they were banned from spreading their religion further or building new churches in Muslim-ruled lands, but were also expected to adhere to the same laws of property, contract, and obligation as the Muslim Arabs. From the 7th century AD onwards, Mesopotamia saw a steady influx of Arabs, Kurds and other Iranian peoples, and later Turkic peoples. Assyrians were increasingly marginalized, persecuted and gradually became a minority in their homeland. Assyrians remained dominant in Upper Mesopotamia as late as the 14th century, and the city of Assur was still occupied by Assyrians during the Islamic period until the mid-14th century when the Muslim Turco-Mongol ruler Timur conducted a religiously motivated massacre against Assyrians. From the 19th century, after the rise of nationalism in the Balkans, the Ottomans started viewing Assyrians and other Christians on their eastern front as a potential threat. The Kurdish Emirs sought to consolidate their power by attacking Assyrian communities, which were already well-established there. Scholars estimate that tens of thousands of Assyrians were massacred in 1843 when Bedr Khan Beg, the emir of Bohtan, invaded their region. The Assyrians were subject to the massacres of Diyarbakır (Modern-day Turkiye) soon after.
    The 14th century massacres of Timur devastated the Assyrian people. Timur's massacres and pillages of all that was Christian drastically reduced their existence. At the end of the reign of Timur, the Assyrian population had almost been eradicated in many places
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    Being culturally, ethnically, and linguistically distinct from their Muslim neighbors in the Middle East—the Arabs, Persians, Kurds, Turks—the Assyrians have endured much hardship throughout their recent history as a result of religious and ethnic persecution by these groups.

    In the 1840s many of the Assyrians living in the mountains of Hakkari in the south eastern corner of the Ottoman Empire were massacred by the Kurdish emirs. Another major massacre of Assyrians (and Armenians) in the Ottoman Empire occurred between 1894 and 1897 by Turkish troops and their Kurdish allies during the rule of Sultan Abdul Hamid II. The motives for these massacres were an attempt to reassert Pan-Islamism in the Ottoman Empire. Assyrians were massacred in Diyarbakir, Hasankeyef, Sivas and other parts of Anatolia, by Sultan Abdul Hamid II. These attacks caused the death of over thousands of Assyrians and the forced "Ottomanisation" of the inhabitants of 245 villages. The Turkish troops looted the remains of the Assyrian settlements and these were later stolen and occupied by Kurds. Unarmed Assyrian women and children were raped, tortured and murdered. The Assyrians suffered a number of religiously and ethnically motivated massacres throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, culminating in the large-scale Hamidian massacres of unarmed men, women and children by Muslim Turks and Kurds in the late 19th century at the hands of the Ottoman Empire and its associated (largely Kurdish and Arab) militias, which further greatly reduced numbers, particularly in southeastern Turkey.

    The most significant recent persecution against the Assyrian population was the Assyrian genocide which occurred during the First World War. Between 275,000 and 300,000 Assyrians were estimated to have been slaughtered by the armies of the Ottoman Empire and their Kurdish allies, totalling up to two-thirds of the entire Assyrian population.

    This led to a large-scale migration of Turkish-based Assyrian people into countries such as Syria, Iran, and Iraq (where they were to suffer further violent assaults at the hands of the Arabs and Kurds) During World War I, Assyrians suffered heavy losses due to deportations and mass killings organized by the Ottoman Turks. The Assyrians returned to their ancestral land in Hakkari in 1922, shortly after World War I without permission from the Turkish government. This led to clashes between the Assyrians and the Turkish army with their Kurdish allies that grew into a rebellion in 1924, it ended with the Assyrians being forced to retreat to Iraq.

    The majority of Assyrians living in what is today modern Turkey were forced to flee to either Syria or Iraq after the Turkish victory during the Turkish War of Independence. In 1932, Assyrians refused to become part of the newly formed state of Iraq and instead demanded their recognition as a nation within a nation. Some Assyrians, fleeing ethnic cleansings in Iraq during the Simele massacre, established numerous villages along the Khabur River during the 1930s. The tension reached its peak shortly after the formal declaration of independence when hundreds of Assyrian civilians were slaughtered during the Simele massacre by the Iraqi Army in August 1933.

    The Ba'ath Party seized power in Iraq and Syria in 1963, introducing laws aimed at suppressing the Assyrian national identity via arabization policies. The giving of traditional Assyrian names was banned and Assyrian schools, political parties, churches and literature were repressed.

    The Anfal campaign of 1986–1989 in Iraq, which was intended to target Kurdish opposition, resulted in 2,000 Assyrians being murdered through its gas campaigns. Over 31 towns and villages, 25 Assyrian monasteries and churches were razed to the ground. Some Assyrians were murdered, others were deported to large cities, and their lands and homes then being appropriated by Arabs and Kurds.

    In 2003, Social unrest and chaos resulted in the unprovoked persecution of Assyrians in Iraq mostly by Islamic extremists (both Shia and Sunni) and Kurdish nationalists (ex. Dohuk Riots of 2011 aimed at Assyrians & Yazidis). In places such as Dora, a neighborhood in southwestern Baghdad, the majority of its Assyrian population has either fled abroad or to northern Iraq, or has been murdered.

    In recent years, the Assyrians in northern Iraq and northeast Syria have become the target of extreme unprovoked Islamic terrorism. As a result, Assyrians have taken up arms alongside other groups (such as the Kurds, Turcomans and Armenians) in response to unprovoked attacks by Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIL), Nusra Front and other terrorist Islamic Fundamentalist groups. In 2014 Islamic terrorists of ISIL attacked Assyrian towns and villages in the Assyrian Homeland of northern Iraq, together with cities such as Mosul and Kirkuk which have large Assyrian populations. There have been reports of atrocities committed by ISIL terrorists since, including; beheadings, crucifixions, child murders, rape, forced conversions, ethnic cleansing, robbery, and extortion in the form of illegal taxes levied upon non-Muslims.

    The Islamic State was driven out from the Assyrian villages in the Khabour River Valley and the areas surrounding the city of Al-Hasakah in Syria by 2015, and from the Nineveh Plains in Iraq by 2017. In 2014, the Nineveh Plain Protection Units was formed and many Assyrians joined the force to defend themselves. The organization later became part of Iraqi Armed forces and played a key role in liberating areas previously held by the Islamic State. In northern Syria, Assyrian groups have been taking part both politically and militarily in the Kurdish-dominated but multiethnic Syrian Democratic Forces.
     
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    Damn sounds like how white Christian Europeans delt with Jews for 500+ years.
     
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    Nobody is opening their borders to the ‘Gazans’
    No matter how much they hate Israel
     
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    This is why Europe and Asia are better than the Middle East
    There’s always conflict and worse, no place for bbq ribs
     
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    the Assyrians weren't christians when they were fighting the Jews in Judea in 700 BC.
     
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  18. Nook

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    Here is the thing about this guy --- he says this, and he believes it. He is also right that the USA has financed and sold weapons to Israel..... but assimilation and the melting pot of America is stronger than anything that this guy says. His grandkids may give fleeting opinions about the topic, but they will be far more enraptured with their lives, which will be very secular - and religion will likely be at best a minor concern.

    So - if he wants to call America evil or rotten, that is his choice, and he can always leave if he is so inclined. However, time is undefeated.

    There were Confederates and KKK members that claimed the South rising was the most important thing in the world....... and their grandchildren and great grandchildren don't give a damn. The same is true with the Nation of Islam.... all the gusto ....... and now their KIDS don't even go to Mosque or practice, outside of some aversion to pork that they cannot fully explain. Catholics.... Fundamentalists....... all of them, their influence and power slowly dies.....
     
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  19. Nook

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    Why should the Assyrians wait? It is their land, and they have no other Assyrian country.

    Sargon defeated the Israeli's over 2500 years ago and occupied the land... the Assyrians have the rightful claim...... and why would anyone disagree, we are talking about only one country for the Assyrians in a world full of countries....

    Perhaps those Israeli's born in the Middle East could negotiate with the Palestinians to live in the occupied territory.

    Of course, the Assyrians will need to control the borders and economy of the Israeli's, but that is a small concern.
     
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  20. Astrodome

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    The people that chant "death to America" from within her borders can go live in another country for all a lot of us care.
     
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