Jalen is what he is, he will get somewhat better, and there is no GM that is going to change their opinion if he is hot for 20 or so games. DD
The experiment will end when our FO values Jalen the same as opposing FO's do. As long we place a higher value, he is here to stay.
Yes, not to mention that a guy like jalen green will bag $40M, while being a net negative for 4 years, while solid vets like Aaron Holiday play for Vet Min year-by-year... That's total BS: no sane person would run a payroll like that in a regular business. This Rookie Scale system is terrible. What it does is, it rewards these elaborate hype operations ran by players' representations prior to the draft, to secure that high pick and the money that comes with it, all-the-while their clients are clueless 19 year-olds, with no fundamentals, and no competitive resume... I like the MLB system with team control and arbitration. Things need to change in the NBA to something like that: All First Round Pick play for Vet Min in Year 1 (guaranteed). That's like an apprenticeship year, to get their feet wet and pay their tributes. Years 2 and 3 are guaranteed at Vet Min, too. After year 1, teams have several more years of control (say 3-5 extra years) where the salary is flexible. If team/player cannot agree on salary, they submit to Arbitrator their tenders, like in baseball. If a player is non-tendered, he becomes a free agent. Arbitration ceiling can be much higher than current rookie scales. This way a guy like Luka who was playing at an All-NBA level in Year 3 can get something like $20-25M, and not be exploited like in the current system. The current system is terrible. Paying useless bums like jalen,10-12M per, over 4 years, just because he generated some hype and got a high draft position is total BS. On the flip side, underpaying early solid contributors on the rookie-scale is also total BS.
To answer the OP, it’s already over. The problem is what to do now; time, money spent alone along with lost opportunities. That draft will go down as an all time bust for us because 3/4 of it are not NBA players just a few seasons later. Plus the circus that came along with it. (The videos of them humping one another) Not a good look for any franchise. IMO, holding onto Green just makes it even worse because he is the face of most of the dysfunction. The ONLY redemption and reason for Stone still being the GM after that draft is Sengun. (That trade was a steal). The next draft was much better, even with 1/2 the picks. Last season’s draft was also incredible. By removing Green only positive is left. Stone just needs to man up.
What is scary about Jalen Green is that he has an awful lot of tools that unlock If the shooting ever turns a corner, which it possibly never will. Right now he is a dreadful shooter, and he is still incredibly skinny. When he gets physically stronger and IF his three-point percentage makes an appreciable leap to 37-38%, he becomes an easy 25-6-5 every single night. He doesn't make that much sense to us right now, because we have multiple prospects, but I'd be fishing for a buy low If I was another NBA team looking for talent. Terrifying to give up on him still, IMO. If I was Brooklyn, I'd have made the Bridges deal for all those picks and Jalen Green in a nano-second.
The only question . . . How confident are we . . .that he will put in the Work I don't think anyone doubts his abilities or athleticism Where is the DOG in him? Where is the drive to work? If we doubt that . .. . and have little faith in him to do that. . . might as well trade him now Rocket River
I guess I'll raise my hand here and say I doubt his abilities. I think some people just don't have it in them. Like for example, if I spent between 40 and 60 hours practicing basketball every week from age 10 until I was 20 years old I would not be in the NBA. I just don't have it in me. I don't think it's always an issue of work/effort. I think back to Dwight Howard on free throws, the lakers had shooting coaches working with him and he would shoot like 1000 free throws per day, every day. And he could hit over 80% in practice. But then game time comes and he's a 49% shooter. Similarly I don't think any amount of reps could turn Clint Capela into a good three point shooter. Give him the best coaches in the world and infinite time to work on his shot and he's never going to shoot like Steph Curry. And that's why Steph Curry is Steph Curry, if anybody could put in the work and do what he does then we'd see hundreds of Steph Currys in the NBA. I don't doubt Jalen Greens work ethic. Lots of workout posts and lots of reports from guys who work with the team suggest otherwise. I think he works hard and I think he wants it badly. But I think he just doesn't have it.
This guy said EXACTLY what needed to be said. Screw draft position! You either have the chops to be on the court and hang with the big boys or you don't. If Jalen had been drafted 24th everyone would have already screamed to cut bait.
Bingo! (pun not intended). All he has is insane athletic ability which does not automatically make him a basketball player. Perhaps he would have made a better wide receiver in football where his height, first step, leaping ability, etc... could of allowed him to get separation from defensive backs? Of course then the question would have been could he have adequately run routes?
Great example! Where are those 100's of Seth Curry players who work soooooo hard every day? On the scary side of that, I'm not expecting Amen to ever be some great 3 PT shooter either, which is why I really hope we sign a veteran SG with proven consistency in the off-season and add another in the draft. We need another starter to replace Jalen, while the younger guys get minutes to continue development next year. Otherwise, it's going to be another year of growing pains.
As far as I am concerned, I already gave him enough time to develop. Yes, he is doing great recently and I am happy for him. I really hope that he can stay at this level, which is good for the team, for himself, for everybody. But, I do not regret posting this thread and I will continue to say so: I think the way he developed is much slower then I expected (maybe thx to Silas), the super inefficient way he was playing was draging this team down and made me give up on him. Whether he can stay at his level? I don't know, but I do hope he can co-exist with Sengun and continues to shine. His recent performance does not justify the damage he has done to this team this season but it does give me a bit hope and make me want to watch another season of this 'experiment'.
