I believe in God and that ALL go (eventually) to Heaven. Would you like that outcome?

I'm a universalist. I also don't believe Hell. Most of our concepts of Hell come from Greek literature.

Meet Dan McClellan -Biblical Scholar who's also an expert on Ancient Hebrew & Greek languages and cultures.

 

Even Debbie Johns?

 

I'm a church-goer but not a believer. I do like thinking about and debating theology. But, when I see arguments about mistranslations, I don't walk, I run in the other direction. Why would I bother with a God who atones for everyone's sins and brings us the Word, but then tolerates everyone misunderstanding a central tenet of his work for thousands of years? Don't get me wrong. If you're right and there is salvation for everyone, even a non-believer like me, that'd be great. But, I think the mis-translation argument (and, related, the suppressed gnostic gospel argument) is just some motivated thinking to find evidence to believe the thing you would prefer to be true.

 

We are nothing more than worm food. Though I do like the idea of the tree fertilizer process.

 

yeah, no way in hell someone can have a black person hanging from a tree and they’re going to heaven

please

 

Such a thought begs the question.... why put us on this earth for 0 - 120 years to begin with? Why not just create us in heaven?

I'd say 99% of people who ever lived lived a super super s&&& life. Half probably died by age 5. The rest suffered in extreme poverty where disease, hunger/famine, natural disasters, rape, war, brutality/subjugation were constant companions.

 

Following

 

Why don't we just start in heaven?

 

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”

Palms 137:9

 

Knock Knock
Who's there?
Jesus, let me in
Why?
I'm here to save you
From what?
From what I am going to do if you don't let me in.

 

.

Nothing is indisputable in the D&D!

But save yourself the time on persuading me. If my wife can't convert me, I don't think you have a chance. I have enjoyed, however, the break from the endless parade of Biden and Trump threads.

 

Yes he did. If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent he knew full well that I would be an atheist and he would cast me into the fiery pits of Hell. What is he going to wish I would change? He knew all before I was ever created so he knew exactly what would happened and created me anyway. Therefore if God did exists he is not omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn’t have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn’t know when evil exists, or doesn’t have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

 

This has been the main issue for me, but not because of anything Jesus said in the Bible because as scholars will tell you... Jesus never even talked about hell, but because of the Evangelical Church which uses the carrot and the stick approach in order to keep people engaged, and donating their hard earned money to their church.

If you are there at church because you are trying to get a reward, and avoid a punishment then there's no reason to believe you'd be there if you didn't feel like you needed to be there. Then it begs the question of whether or not you are in it for the right reasons.

However yes the Old Testament God is a very cold authoritative god at times. He wipes out the entire population in the events leading up to Noah's Ark as a prime example. But even the God in the Old and New Testament is not nearly as cold, and manipulative as the modern Evangelical preacher, and the Evangelical leaders that fund propaganda through their media such as the 700 Club, Daystar, Focus on the Family, etc. To these people like Jerry Followill Jr., James Dobson, Pat Robertson, etc. they claim to speak with authority that takes the most extreme interpretation, and wields that fear to enrich themselves above all.

The Bible is one thing... a very decent Religious text with some conflicting translations, and a few problematic areas.

The Evangelical Christian Nationalist Propaganda movement is another.... which IMO is pure evil, and exactly what the Bible warns against in the later chapters of the New Testament. They are the ones who are saying give me your money, vote the way I tell you to vote, and I will make you feel like you are going to live in a big beautiful golden tower as soon as you die while all of those heathen liberals out there have to burn in hell for eternity. They are the ones saying that... not the Bible and ESPECIALLY not Jesus.

 

It dont make sense going to heaven with the goodie goodies
dressed in white.
I like black timbs and black hoodies

 

https://www.crossway.org/articles/jesus-said-more-about-hell-than-anyone-in-the-bible/