Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Exactly.

A single cell is a single cell. It's alive.

 

Biology says a skin cell is not an organism (a life), it is part of an organism (alive). I have said it multiple times. Your problem isn't with me, it is with the definitions of words.

 

Yes. It is alive. It's also only a part of life; it's not the life. Well, as long as it's not a single celled organism.

 

FIFY.

 

I didn't write the definitions. Organism - Definition, Types and Examples | Biology Dictionary. Humans are under the Eukarya section. You will see that it clearly states that all eukaryotic organisms start as a single cell (that would be the zygote). Am I creating these websites to win an argument on ClutchFans?

 

Science doesn't define life like that. It's either alive or it is not. You, like your friend, are inventing new definitions to fit your religion.

 

Biology doesn't say an organism is a life and a part of an organism is alive. You are inventing science now.

It only says whether or not something is living or not. You're now adding a new part of your original definition to say that it's not just about being human and alive, but also being an organism. You can change the goal posts if you like, but your original premise is simply wrong.

 

Right, so a skin cell is life. Therefore the argument that a zygote being a human life and should not be destroyed is nonsense. Thanks for demonstrating @StupidMoniker is wrong. Good job!

 

How about this...

A single cell from a multicellular organism is alive, but it is not an organism in and of itself.

Would you agree with that?

 

I wonder if the zygotes y'all are talking about are "human" life at all. I mean the zygotes made in a lab on a petri dish or something that y'all are talking about. Tough question. I do know the cell is the building block of life, though.

 

The only difference between the skin cell and the zygote is the phase they are in. A zygote has the exact same DNA as a skin cell of course, but it functions differently because a different part of the the DNA is being read - and there are different proteins causing that to happen.

If you put a skin cell into a different state - by adjusting the proteins in the cell structure - it will behave as a zygote. This is called cloning. So looking at it this way, the skin cell is part of an organism, but it could form it's own organism if you put it in the right environment.

It is why to people who put science above religion, it's so non-sensical to think of destroying a zygote as murder. It is in fact one cell of a potential human being, not the human being itself.

 

What you're saying is if you change the condition of a skin cell, then it wouldn't be a skin cell. Well, yeah. You're also admitting that a skin cell is a part of an organism until you change it to become an organism.

 

Your argument is a semantical one. The definition of an organism is arbitrary and holds no special meaning. A cell is just a cell. In nature cells can go different directions all the time based on the environment they are in. Point is there is nothing special about a skin cell or zygote. The skin cell has differentiated through gene expression - a mechanical process.

The day will come when you can 3D print a cell and nuclear membrane, construct the organelle and put in them in your constructed membrances. Fill it with the right proteins. Build the DNA by using an amino acid printer. And putting all these inert non-living components together - that were never "alive" - create a functioning zygote that can create a human life.

A zygote is nothing special. It's just a piece of biological machinery capable of producing a human being. It is alive in only the strictest definition of biological life - which is not meant to mean it is the special thing that should be sacred anymore than a tree, a bacterium, or amoeba.

What makes a human life meaningful and special is when all the components are there to create a thinking, feeling, and aware entity. That's what has meaning. Not a zygote that you can't even see without a microscope.

 

That is what it means to differentiate a life from something that is alive. I am not adding anything. You assumed (for some reason) that I was talking about any portion of a human and not the human in total. I don't know why you would assume that when I pointed out the difference every time you mentioned a skin cell. At this point you are just trolling. Have a nice day.

 

No surprise here. The report highlights the severe consequences of criminalizing doctors under the GOP's abortion law, which extend beyond merely restricting access to abortion.

The Louisiana abortion ban has resulted in pregnant women undergoing dangerous, unnecessary surgeries; denial or delays in treating miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies until life-threatening conditions arise; forcing women with severe fetal anomalies or high-risk conditions to continue pregnancies until critically ill; potential violations of federal emergency care laws; and a likely worsening of the state's already poor maternal mortality rates, especially among Black and low-income women.

Nothing new there. But here's something new - routine prenatal care is being delayed until 12 weeks, increasing risks for all pregnancies by missing critical windows to detect and address complications that could lead to birth defects, long-term health issues for both mother and child, or even death. These rippling effects undermine the foundations of prenatal health and maternal wellbeing, jeopardizing entire family units, straining healthcare systems, and impacting future generations and overall society. The attack on reproductive rights has insidiously evolved into an assault on fundamental healthcare standards.

Pregnancy care has changed in alarming ways since Louisiana banned abortion : Shots - Health News : NPR

In the wake of Louisiana's abortion ban, pregnant women have been given risky, unnecessary surgeries, denied swift treatment for miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies, and forced to wait until their life is at risk before getting an abortion, according to a new report first made available to NPR.

It found doctors are using extreme caution to avoid even the appearance of providing an abortion procedure.

"We were stunned by just how much regular medical practice for pregnant people has been disrupted," said Michele Heisler, the medical director of Physicians for Human Rights and one of the report's authors.

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Unnecessary C-sections raise alarms
In one of the most extreme examples of how pregnancy care has changed, doctors described cases of women who experienced preterm premature rupture of membranes (when the "water breaks" early in pregnancy, before the fetus is viable). Some of these women were forced to undergo Cesarean section surgeries to empty their uterus and avoid infection, instead of receiving an abortion procedure or medication.

"Which is ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous," said Freehill. "The least safe thing that we do, no matter if it's early in pregnancy or full-term at your due date, is a C-section."

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Prenatal care appointments pushed back
In what doctors described as another serious deviation from standard medical practice, OB-GYNs in Louisiana are now delaying routine prenatal care until patients reach 12 weeks of pregnancy — the point at which the risk of miscarriage drops significantly.

One patient interviewed in the report said several different doctors' offices wouldn't see her before 12 weeks. One office told her the abortion ban was "something that's new" and that doctors wanted "to eliminate some of the spontaneous abortions, or miscarriages, that may happen up until that 12-week mark," the patient recounted.

"I think physicians are scared, and so what can we do to decrease our risk that the attorney general is going to come after us?" said Dr. Neelima Sukhavasi, a Baton Rouge OB-GYN interviewed in the report. "And that is probably one of the things that they saw would be easiest."

Delaying pregnancy care into the second trimester can be dangerous for people who might have complications, such as a history of blood clots or an ectopic pregnancy that goes undiagnosed, doctors told NPR. Without treatment, some pregnancy-related problems can lead to birth defects, stroke, heart attack, or even death.

 

Great, so instead of just the mental scars of a miscarriage Louisiana is giving them the physical scars of a C-section as well.

 

Texas woman sues prosecutors who charged her with murder for using abortion medication

A woman in Texas is suing prosecutors there who charged her with murder for an abortion she had in 2022—months before Roe v. Wade was overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. Lizelle Gonzalez, 26, was arrested and spent two nights in jail before the charges were dismissed.

Pregnant people cannot be criminally prosecuted for their own abortions under state law – not now, nor at the time of Gonzalez's 2022 arrest. Gonzalez is now suing prosecutors, claiming in her lawsuit they knowingly misrepresented facts and disregarded her rights in order to have her arrested and charged, irrevocably changing the course of her life.The complaint was filed last week against Gocha Allen Ramirez, the Starr County district attorney, Alexandria Lynn Barrera, the assistant district attorney, and the county itself. CNN has reached out to all the defendants.​

The Texas State Bar has already found that Ramirez, the district attorney, committed professional misconduct and fined him. Ramirez denied he was briefed on the case before his office pursued it, but investigators determined he was consulted by a prosecutor beforehand.

Gonzalez's attorneys released a statement:

"We have no doubt that the Starr County District Attorney, and his office, were well-aware that Texas law exempts a woman who receives an abortion, by any means, from a murder charge and yet chose to pursue an unjust and unconstitutional indictment," Gonzalez's attorneys, Cecilia Garza and Veronica S. Martinez, told CNN in a statement. "Such a flagrant violation of Ms. Gonzalez's basic civil rights cannot be regarded as a mere 'mistake.'"​

Gonzales used misoprostol, one of the drug pair in a case under consideration by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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