After 2-year-old girl shoots self, man becomes first person charged under Michigan’s gun storage law

Guns don't kill people (2 year old) people kill people.

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I hope this guy gets convicted, and sentenced to hard time.

 

Can the victim's family also sue the gun manufacturer or gun sales location? Maybe that will put a dent in killings?

 

If we aren't going to outlaw guns (or certain types of guns), that's what it's going to take. Accountability.

That would be ideal and something I've been saying for a while. If you can sue the people/companies who sold the offender the guns, it's going to make those people/companies a lot more careful when it comes to gun sales. More accountability.

 

Minnesota is debating a law like this now. With the recent killing of two LEO and a paramedic by someone who legally shouldn’t have had firearms there is more impetus to making sure firearms don’t get into the wrong hands.

 

The Texas GOP would never pass a law like this. They would rather pretend stuff like this is just an accident.

 

This is the type of common sense laws that people are resisting out of ideology. If I have a toddler I can’t just leave rat poison sitting somewhere that the toddler can easily get to. Yet the argument from many is that leaving a loaded unlocked firearm is fine.

 

Laws get passed when the "wrong people" are affected
When guns affect LEOs more than "regular people" . .. watch all laws change
When guns affect "politicians and rich folx" more than "regular people" . . . watch the laws change
until then
These are acceptable losses

nope never
Louisiana use to handle underage drinking by charging the drinker and not the bars
That seems to be our approach to guns

Doesn't work well .. . . .
Honestly . . . if someone owns 50 guns . . .. I have major concerns

the idea that nothing should be limited is kind of the American ideology of excess being life

Rocket River

 

I have no problem with this.

Simply leaving a revolver and other gun loaded in plain sight around a 2 year old is ****ing disgusting

 

Uh, less guns on the street = less crime and being shot at by the 'bad' guys. Gun restriction laws affect LEO the most.

 

The reason gun secure and storage laws are needed (and I reluctantly agree it should be a law) is that 2A folks refuse basic common-sense measures, like training.

I don't think we have a specific law that says poison needs to be secured. It prevents the over-prosecution of a parent who forgot and left rat poison on the table, resulting in the death of a toddler who ate it. If the parent acts with recklessness, then I think negligence laws cover it. But I doubt there is a law against the occasional drastic mistake.

So, the bigger issue for me is the complete lack of a need for training, licensing, and sensible regulation. Gun secure and storage laws shouldn't be needed if gun owners are responsible. They should be trained before owning. They should demonstrate a need for it and that they can be responsible gun owners. Without those, unfortunately, we will need this type of law.

 

If I had to wait in line at dmv to register my car so should gun owners. I need a license and insurance and so should gun owners.

 

That's a really good point. If you can get sued for your gun doing harm, there should be insurance for each weapon. If you want to own 30 ARs, that's part of the tab.

 

378 LEOs shot last year (most Ever) -- https://fop.net/2024/01/378-officers-shot-in-the-line-of-duty-in-2023/
46 died from the wound
That number is not significant enough for gun legislation
On the other hand
LEOs killed over 1160 people (this is not to mention ones that were shot and not killed) - https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Again . . . not enough of the "wrong people" getting shots
The number of LEOs is not significant enough
and no one gives a sh*t about the people LEO's killed
or Poor People killed by Randos . . . .

Rocket River

 

Anything to protect the ridiculous gun nuttery than costs the USA billions per year and tremendous suffering and death. Let's remodel and redesign every new public building in the country, hire hundreds of thousand of new security guards, have school kids do weekly "active shooter" drills-- whatever it takes.

Hey it gets great ratings on TV "news", though it is a daily event. Only about two mass shootings per week, though.