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[Official] Victor Wembanyama as a Spurs thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TimDuncanDonaut, Jun 24, 2023.

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  1. MorningZippo

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    Lol, these are terrible comparisons for a variety of reasons, but let’s start with the most obvious.

    Shaq averaged 38 minutes a game in his rookie season. Victor’s per 36 stats are actually almost identical to Shaq’s right now, even though he’s improving rapidly and will likely surpass Shaq in points, rebounds, AND blocks per 36 minutes by the end of the season. The Magic also still had 21 wins the year before, even with their 2 best players missing over 60 games

    The Duncan comparison is even worse. The Spurs had an MVP center come back to the roster, lmao.

    Even then, if his dominance is arguably as good as the 2 most dominant rookies of all time, how is anyone exaggerating? How much further ahead of Shaq or Lebron does he have to be before you personally figure out how good Wemby is?

    The rest of the NBA world already knows why the spurs aren’t winning. Maybe you’ll figure out why soon.
     
  2. Rocket River

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    He is having a more IMPACTFUL year IMO

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    That's tough if you are basing it on wins. I get it with MVP, but not ROY.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Easy to get stats on a sorry team

    4 pts more per game on 5 more shots
    Wemby may win the Stat Battle but Chet is putting in work
    on a top 4 Team

    Rocket River
     
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    On the other hand, Wembanyama might be more efficient with SGA and company setting him up and getting most of the defensive attention.

    Historically, the rookie with the best stats takes the award. We'll see what happens cause Wembanyama keeps improving his numbers and highlight reel while the Thunder will finish top 3 in West.
     
  6. roslolian

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    Nah maybe YOU need to figure out efficiency is also a thing. Shaq played in the very physical handcheck era and had 58% TS. Ditto for Tim Duncan. Wembanyama playing in the very easy to score, no touch NBA only has 56% TS.

    David Robinson is a good player but Spurs went from 20 to 56. So you think Robinson is worth 36 wins by himself? Lol. So if Robinson can give his team 36 extra wins how come Wembanyama can't give his team any extra wins? Or you think those 11 wins solely due to Wemby and no one else?

    I'm not saying Wembanyama is a scrub, just that he is being hyped too much when his team has 11 freaking wins.
     
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  7. roslolian

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    Wembyama has the award locked up cuz everybody is on his Jock. He is the next annointed one and NBA is desperate to find Lebron's successor.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure the NBA wants him to succeed. But he's also putting up nice numbers (20/10 and leading the league in blocks) and his crazy highlights show his enormous potential. His ROY will be well deserved since it's normal for losers to win it.
     
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    True but I still think Chet had a better rookie season.
     
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  10. MorningZippo

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    your strongest argument is a 2% TS difference, even though Shaq’s inability to shoot free throws would dramatically lower his TS if he was playing today? Interesting.

    Also, the Robinson led spurs the year before they tanked for Duncan actually had 59 wins, 3 more than they had with Duncan. Does that mean Duncan was worth -3 wins?
     
  11. astrosrule

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    Also, MVP level players do make a massive difference. Think about the 65 win lebron cavs, could they have even won 20 games without him?
     
  12. roslolian

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    TS already accounts for Fts, that's why it's called true shooting percentage. Keep in mind it was harder to score during Shaqs time due to handchecks and more physical play allowed, So Shaqs 58% will prob be closer to 65% in today's no touch NBA. For example Giannis play style is very close to Shaq and he scores at 65% TS...and Shaq is just as quick as Giannis while being 20 pounds heavier.

    My entire argument is Robinson isn't worth 40 games, so solely crediting him for the reason why Spurs won a lot of games is just dumb. You are somehow turning that on its head when your entire argument supports mine.
     
  13. roslolian

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    If you calling Wemby the best rookie player ever shouldn't he make a massive difference similar to MVP level player?

    Banchero seems like he had a bigger impact last year than Wemby this year.
     
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    the 09-10 cavs won 61 games (and the last 4 games james sat they went 0-4). That team without him probably wins 15ish games? The 08-09 team that won 66 games was a little better, maybe 20ish wins or so.

    Not sure why it replied to a different post of yours
     
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    Wemby is leading in all statistical categories and with better efficiency at least per minute since he's not playing that many minutes. Chet is a way better outside shooter but that's all.

    He's also leading the league in blocks - which he took over about 30 days into his age 19 season and will likely not relinquish this title until he's out of the league (or doesn't meet minimum games).

    He's having a historic rookie season - one of the best of the last 20 years.

    It's Wemby and it's not really close IMO
     
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    Wemdy is also the favorite to beat high ass Evan Mobley for the NBA dork of the year (DOY).
     
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    I don’t know if Wemby will be as good as Shaq or better, but watching this kid play is an awesome experience. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone play like him, ever. He’s got a fantastic trajectory, if he can stay healthy.
     
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    I agree, however, it is nearly impossible for him to outshoot and outpass guards in the All Star Skill Format.

    Good to see him out there.....

     
  20. Outlier

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    Lol rosloloser stay hating since the beginning
     

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