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Jalen Green is the Rockets' Franchise Player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by don grahamleone, Aug 10, 2023.

  1. bmelo

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    He is a pro scorer…. even when its off he should take it. He can turn the streak around even mid game
     
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    That is why I think he is not even that kind of scorer......a scorer has to shoot consistent numbers.

    If you are locked up easily or you cannot get going every 1 out of 3-4 games......

    Jabari and Jalen are those players that heat up before and around All Star Game and that is just too late into the season.

    • Tyrese Maxey is in the archetype of that confident finisher.
    • That is the guy who took the best from an aging Harden in no time.

     
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    Green doesn't have the best finishing touch or the best shooting touch. Everything else is improving, it's like he has all the tools to get to his shots now but just cant convert.

    Jabari is quite far away imo. Green is getting to a point where he pretty much can collapse the defense off one pick, he just can't finish. He's definitely passing and reading the defense better but he needs to put the ball in the basket like Maxey
     
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    That is the point, it looks effortlessly for Jalen, Maxey works harder but he has the stamina to play 39 minutes a game and still putting up assist numbers in the Harden area.

    While it is nice to develop Green into an all round player, he still has long way to go to do what he should do best - scoring and shooting.

     
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    Agree, except for the rebounding part. He gets rebounds because he's the only one who does NOT box out. You go for the ball all the time instead of doing the box out, you steal rebounds to your teammates but eventually your man gets some offensive rebounds. That's called a Westbrook special.
     
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    I think he can finish. I think he's just not used to expending this much energy on defense.
     
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    Nah, man. In today’s NBA, guards contribute to gang defensive rebounding by going for them, while the low post guys box out. The other team won’t (or shouldn’t) have their perimeter players dive in for offensive boards, because the NBA deemphasizes offensive rebounds vs transition defense.

    Those perimeter guards that you’re claiming Green should box out are releasing for transition defense.

    I’m not making this up, as some theory. It is what happens.

    And btw: a guard with elite speed and athleticism is really the one you want rebounding, if you have a choice…it starts transition offense faster.

    stop with the “stealing rebounds” theory. Green rebounding is the plan from Coach.
     
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    Big difference from the last two years to this season is the level of engagement that Jalen has when things aren't going his way. Couldn't get one to fall tonight, but stayed locked in and productive wire-to-wire to the extent that Ime couldn't take him off the court. Last year's Jalen would have been pouting and jogging back 5 minutes into a rough game like this.

    On the other side (unfortunately), Bari seems to be having a much harder time getting out of his head this year. Way too much thinking for him while Jalen is just out there hustling and keeping the pedal to the floor.
     
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    jalen is figuring out that he can initiate the offense by using his speed to drive and kick. he basically will beat anyone in a footrace but instead of throwing up wild lay-up attempts, he is kicking it out to the corners which is making his "hockey-assist" numbers elite.

    it's really exciting to watch because the big knock on him in the draft process was being able to create looks for his teammates. while he struggles to create a direct shot, the ability to collapse the defense with his drives is proving to be a focal point of our offense. the rest of the team is doing a fantastic job of passing quickly to find the open shooter, something we simply did not do last year.

    Think about how many drives where we kicked it to KPJ who held the ball until for 10 more seconds to jack up a contested step-back three. this year we keep moving the ball until we find a decent look. team basketball is fun!
     
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    It's nice seeing him do the small things to win when his shot isn't falling.
    Hanging with Dillon should help him out on how to trick refs into getting some calls.
     
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    Be as it may, we’ve seen plenty the last couple of years of people getting boards through Jalen. The poster is right, he still doesn’t box out, however he uses now his footspeed to track and get to the ball. The effort is improved. Whether it’s a boxout or a chasedown, the important thing is to get the ball, and he’s contributing, after being a negative the past couple of years…
     
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    People need to remember they are 21. Alpi is more advanced right now than Green and it shows in who is more consistent offensively which is Alpi. Alpi has developed in better structure his his young professional career before the NBA than Jalen in understanding team dynamic concepts rather than relying on innate talent. He's at an age where he's still rapidly learning but that's the thing. He's willing to rapidly learn. Just watch last night and see something I've never seen which was Green being more consistent at fighting through screens and recovering than the likes of Brooks and FVV. He was using his agility on the defensive end now and that is making him expensing a lot more energy on that end than he has for probably his career but he's eventually going to condition himself to be consistent on both ends but it might take a few weeks of consistently putting the effort on defense as a baseline which he has started to chain together. Then the offense should come. Especially in fast breaks. Getting more deflections.
     
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    …sigh…

    Green’s rebounding numbers trending up is not a mistake, nor a problem. “The poster” said they were a problem.

    I didn’t say anything about it being a great skill or something. Just that it’s not a problem.

    I mean, dude, it takes me 5 minutes to watch every opponent offensive rebound and every Green rebound, each morning after a game, while I’m drinking coffee.

    I’m not making this up.
     
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    This is cool, love seeing stuff like this, thanks for sharing
     
  17. NewAge

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    No, I got you. It’s a good thing.
     
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    He's 6'4-6'5 and not strong enough to go out and put his stamp on the game on regular basis because game is too physical and he is too small, doesn't have grown man's body/strength. He's like a flamboyant animal to me. A flamingo maybe. Flamingo looks beautiful, it is colorful, it can even run across the surface of water it is that fast and light. It is a stunning, majestic animal. Amost like god spent extra time for its creation but if i ever get my hands on one, despite all it's quality, speed, beauty, elegance that sets it apart from other ordinary weakass animals like rabbit, mice despite of its power of awakening something inside of me despite of its grace i would **** him up. I'd grab by his legs and neck and break it into two. I'd crush his skull with a single blow. I'd make him my b****. Jalen is the same to me. He's fast but has hard time finishing when he feels a slight bump. He can't dunk on others because 1) his hands are small and loses the ball 2) When 2 bodies clash it's his body that loses its balance. It's momentum physics 101. Most of his dunks are wide open dunks. He doesn't have Ant's physicality. Ant's dunks are soul crushing. He's a presence and you know the guy who will get dunked on 0.3 miliseconds later will go down. I'd prefer Jalen to be a little slower but more bulky he's so tiny. Kid needs to add some weight and get thicker. His shooting form looks much better than the last 2 years. He was shooting from his chest his release point is higher now but he's still a very streaky shooter. What he needs to do is 1) Look like a grown man be somewhat intimidating 2) Be a reliable shooter.
     
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    young Kobe got locked up all the time. He had atrocious numbers. Even in his prime he had horrible games. year three Kobe had multiple single digit scoring games.
     
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