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The search begins for the next manager

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Yordan The Great, Oct 23, 2023.

  1. solid

    solid Contributing Member

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    I don't know who would be the best replacement, but I do know that this years Astros had a ton of talent, but were very dysfunctional. As a former manager of a large and complicated organization, I have learned to see dysfunction. Fixing it is not easy. I would have a private absolutely confidential interview with every player, coach, and staff member. Consistent themes will emerge. Promise you that there were practices that were controversial. I promise you that there were pets, pleasers, and punks. I promise that disunity will be found. I promise you that there are well known personality conflicts. Many will have suggested solutions. Some will be reasonable, some will be ridiculous. Every organization can be fixed exempting the U.S. Government, Congress, and Enron.
     
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    Hinch said he "busted the tv monitor with a bat" to signify he didn't like it, yet the tv monitor was back the next day. this shows that Hinch is too passive aggressive if he didn't also say "don't put that **** back up", but even if him smashing it should have brought the point across, the rest of the team (or at least Cora/Beltran) didn't respect him enough if they put it right back up. Yeah he can stay in Detroit.
     
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    Yah I was going to mention that too but was too heart broken to relive another 3-2 blown lead.
    PS can we consult with our hitters and change whatever in our home stadium so we don't blow game 6 and 7 at home
     
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    I do not find any of these names sexy
     
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    Partly why I think it’s Espada’s job to lose most likely. Not a bumper crop of replacements.
     
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    They didn't respect him.
     
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    Atlanta Braves Minor League Managers or Bench Coaches from the Braves
     
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  8. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Carlos Beltran?

    >DUCKS<
     
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    So, @Nook - based on the names you mentioned, sounds like a first-time MLB manager is likely?
    Not a fan of handing the keys to a rookie but if they do a very diligent search and are confident that the person they hire will be a good and competent fit, then I’ll stand by the choice.
     
  10. IdStrosfan

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    The other option Is recycling a manager who was previously fired by a team worse than the Astros?
     
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  11. HTown2017Champs

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    Not necessarily. Especially when there’s a successful free agent manager on the market. But Craig Counsell is a Milwaukee guy and a former Union leader as a player, so I think he’s trying to leverage as big of a pay raise as he can. Still worth trying, maybe he’ll like no state income taxes, but then again, maybe Crane isn’t someone he wants to work for.
    Also, sometimes guys are better the second time around (like Hinch). My biggest concern is, a rookie may not know exactly what the job entails and struggles with growing pains associated with learning the job.
     
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    I think former Astro Tim Bogar will be a potential name to watch
     
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    “We’ll see” - Dusty Baker
     
  14. Yordan The Great

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    We won't see.

    You're done.
     
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    Make Brantley a player-manager.
     
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    He hooked back up with the Yankees after he left, maybe he could bring us their newest sign stealing program?
     
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    Bring out Adam Everett and let’s turn 2
     
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    Sad people even mention Hinch...

    I had a chance to chat with Espada while the Astros were in New York in August. I think he would be a great fit for this team. The players respect him and he was been a target for other organizations.

    Mark DeRosa is someone I think could be a dark horse to get the job. He has been linked to the Astros.
     
  19. Nook

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    I actually think there are a lot of strong candidates out there. The issue is that there aren’t any perfect fits on paper.
    The only thing I have had beaten into me by people around the team is that the next manager will be someone that is supportive of the philosophy the Astros have and embrace how the Astros make decisions, which is usually done through a lot of dialogue with a lot of different people with the owner breaking any “ties”.

    Brown was handcuffed by Baker, and while I believe that Crane will make the final decision - whomever is picked will be someone Brown likes as well.

    Counsel seems like the best candidate on paper but he is going to the Mets most likely.

    The Astros are going to be picky - wanting someone with strong leadership skills, but also that is very bright and innovative and will build a relationship with the front office.

    It is possible Boston decides to go a different direction and let’s Cora go and he would be someone I am sure the Astros would have strong interest in - but even he comes with some baggage because he cannot keep his mouth shut when he drinks.

    I personally would probably push to pay Counsel what it takes and would have Will Venables or DeRosa be my back up option.
     
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    I actually think there are a lot of strong candidates out there. The issue is that there aren’t any perfect fits on paper.
    The only thing I have had beaten into me by people around the team is that the next manager will be someone that is supportive of the philosophy the Astros have and embrace how the Astros make decisions, which is usually done through a lot of dialogue with a lot of different people with the owner breaking any “ties”.

    Brown was handcuffed by Baker, and while I believe that Crane will make the final decision - whomever is picked will be someone Brown likes as well.

    Counsel seems like the best candidate on paper but he is going to the Mets most likely.

    The Astros are going to be picky - wanting someone with strong leadership skills, but also that is very bright and innovative and will build a relationship with the front office.

    It is possible Boston decides to go a different direction and let’s Cora go and he would be someone I am sure the Astros would have strong interest in - but even he comes with some baggage because he cannot keep his mouth shut when he drinks.

    I personally would probably push to pay Counsel what it takes and would have Will Venables or DeRosa be my back up option.
     
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