Kevin Mccarthy kicked out as Speaker of house as congress becomes paralyzed

The point is not to get a governing majority in Congress, the point is to get a governing majority of the Republican party.

After the party has been captured, you then work on Congress.

This is a bug in the code of our binary politics.

Instead of change through consensus and coalition building, change is only possible through destruction and subterfuge.

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Check out how red the district's are of the Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona's_5th_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_1st_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia's_5th_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee's_2nd_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado's_4th_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina's_1st_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana's_2nd_congressional_district

These districts are effectively uncontested in the general. If you win the primary, you win the seat.

Guess who votes in a primary (especially a closed one)? The 15% most fringe elements of the party. Even worse, it's probably FPTP, which also enables extremism.

That is how we ended up with the Tea Party/MAGA wing of the Republican party. They have outsized leverage/power because of this.

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This is not exclusively a Republican problem either, btw.

The Democrats are bound to end up in the same boat, especially as the leadership ages out.

Those laughing at McCarthy need to get their chuckles in now, because his replacement is going to be leagues worse.

 

Liz Cheney is somewhere laughing her ass off.

 

Unfortunately that's the truth. It shouldn't be their burden to bare, but it is.

Important to note that this isn't unique to America as well. This is a problem in France, Poland, Brazil, etc. etc. Democracy is teetering on the verge of collapse globally, and God help us all if the autocrats of this world get in a cockfighting contest in the next decade which is inevitable if history is any guide. So much is riding on the Democrats, and the other Democratic parties around the world batting 1000 over the next few years.

 

The flame-throwing JERK, not the alleged sex traffikker, confirms that he is running for Speaker of the House



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Im not sure this response has anything to do with my question.

 

If you were a good faith poster you'd probably restate what your question was more explicitly then?

 

Because the pretext of your question was incorrect. There was no Democratic Coup. It was Matt Geatz who forced a vote with a motion to vacate. Democrats did not put forth the motion to vacate. Given that Democrats had to then vote for Kevin McCarthy, there should be no expectation that a Democrat would vote for a Republican or that a Republican would in a million years vote for a Democrat simply to help out the Democrats.

The whole framing of this as a "Coup" is ridiculous, and a bad faith framing of an argument which is par for the course with you.

 

But this doesn't really answer my question, unless you are stating the Democrats were happy to throw the Republicans into discord.

Evaluate and correct the following statements if need:

-McCarthy was more moderate than the average Republican House of Representative
-The Hateful 8 were MAGA's and did not want to vote on the debt ceiling issue

If these two statements are some what true (ie: not getting hung up on some minor nuance), why would the Democrats support the worst of the Republican party just to get in a petty knife jabbing?

It would be incredibly stupid for Republicans to side with an AOC coup to remove Pelosi for the sake of being petty.

It seems I am missing something here.

 

You should always vote for your best interest. A vote for McCarthy wasn't a vote against a dem speaker. That would be a separate vote. If the House didn't want to take the predictable chance of a nomination of a more radical speaker, the chamber's votes needed to be a bit different.

 

WTF are you babbling about? Your biggest problem is that you do not listen (or read) in this case. I suspect you have this problem everywhere in your life.

I am fully aware Matt Geatz put the motion forward. Go back and read the original statement. I asked why Democrats would help the Republicans with a coup. I did not say or imply the democrats were responsible for the coup. Pull yourself together man.

 

Gop reps would vote no to a hypothetical vote to remove Pelosi?

 

lol

 

Democrats were presented a vote to remove the GOP speaker of the house.

In today's partisan level in politics, you think no party would take advantage of a chance that can remove them?

In the self interest of the Democrats and their future electability in future congressional races it makes sense to remove an established GOP speaker of the house that barely held together the GOP faction of the House and let chaos commence.

What political party wouldn't take advantage of this? This only will harm the GOP and their electability in future elections. They look like a rudderless ship and the answer to that rudderless ship is a guy who most of America is deathly afraid of gaining power again (Trump).

This really harms the turnout of the "I just vote GOP because of taxes" demographic. Just too much incompetence for milquetoast conservatives to get on board.

 

I have a horrible feeling it will be Gym Jordan

 

And what wonderful partnership were the Democrats getting out of Kevin McCarthy as speaker? How has Kevin McCarthy EVER served the interests of the Democratic party? The guy literally voted to overturn the 2020 election. He was weak enough to allow Matt Geatz to run his speakership where at every step it was Matt Geatz, and MTG that were calling the shots... which means it was Donald Trump calling the shots.

There is no one more extreme than McCarthy in the end because Kevin McCarthy was an empty seat for Geatz, Trump, and ultimately Putin who got the biggest win of anyone when McCarthy excluded Ukraine aid from the CR when the VAST MAJORITY of Republicans supported it.

I just don't know how anyone with a straight face can sit here, and say that the Democrats had a vested interest in keeping Kevin McCarthy in the speakership. That's laughable on its face. Could the next speaker be worse???... Of course, but you cannot abandon everything just because the Republicans are going to vote in someone nutty. The Republicans have the votes to rally around someone new. If they don't guess what.... they'll possibly have to turn to Democratic swing district members to fend off a Matt Geatz. It's a slim chance of that happening but at least you have a chance there. You had NO CHANCE with Kevin McCarthy because Kevin McCarthy was an empty suit who could not be trusted.

Kevin McCarthy was NOT going to serve the Democrats best interests ever.

 

Just imagine, that is what Meatball Ron's wife sees month or so when Ron is horny and has decided he wants a piece.

 

McCarthy isn't a strong enough leader to break away from MAGA. He tied himself in a knot by giving them the ultimate power to oust him at any time. The next speaker, hopefully, will not make that silly mistake. Without that constant threat, that speaker is more likely, not less likely, to moderate away from the extreme MAGA wing.

 

The constraints put on the next speaker by the Republican fringe are likely to be stronger, not weaker, unless they nominate some real nutter.