Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

The Judge said by Friday... and Friday it is...

 

Hopefully there will be witness testimony at the trial...

 

...I have my moments.

 

Bet you will be surprised both trump and his cracked legal team have lied about what the protective order is...


Here's the reader's note:

 

This dumbass couldn't define Socialism if his life depended on it.

 

It’s all over now libtards!

@Salvy hes got ‘em!

 

I am coming around to your point of view, as I suspect people like Barr and Pence are as well.
I'm actually not worried about the courts themselves, strangely. I know some long-serving, experienced judges, and they've seen every kind of shenanigan and blowhard you could want. Even after serving on a bunch of juries (more than my damned share), I can tell how that will go.

In a court, DJT is what he is and no more: a huckster from Queens with a really big mouth, a lack of self control, and shoddy counsel. Courts have seen this a million times over.

What happens in the streets is another matter, but at some point, a bully and their fight don't give you a choice. You said it much better.

 

Previously Secret Memo, by Chesebro of the Trump campaign, Laid Out Strategy for Trump to Overturn Biden’s Win


A lawyer allied with President Donald J. Trump first laid out a plot to use false slates of electors to subvert the 2020 election in a previously unknown internal campaign memo that prosecutors are portraying as a crucial link in how the Trump team’s efforts evolved into a criminal conspiracy.

The existence of the Dec. 6, 2020, memo came to light in last week’s indictment of Mr. Trump, though its details remained unclear. But a copy obtained by The New York Times shows for the first time that the lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, acknowledged from the start that he was proposing “a bold, controversial strategy” that the Supreme Court “likely” would reject in the end.

But even if the plan did not ultimately pass legal muster at the highest level, Mr. Chesebro argued that it would achieve two goals.

• It would focus attention on claims of voter fraud and
• “buy the Trump campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive Biden of electoral votes and/or add to Trump’s column.”

The memo had been a missing piece in the public record of how Mr. Trump’s allies developed their strategy to overturn Mr. Biden’s victory. In mid-December, the false Trump electors could go through the motions of voting as if they had the authority to do so. Then, on Jan. 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence could unilaterally count those slates of votes, rather than the official and certified ones for Joseph R. Biden Jr….

It was not the first time Mr. Chesebro had raised the notion of creating alternate electors. In November, he had suggested doing so in Wisconsin, although for a different reason: to safeguard Mr. Trump’s rights in case he later won a court battle and was declared that state’s certified winner by Jan. 6, as had happened with Hawaii in 1960.



But the indictment portrayed the Dec. 6 memo as a “sharp departure” from that proposal, becoming what prosecutors say was a criminal plot to engineer “a fake controversy that would derail the proper certification of Biden as president-elect.”

“I recognize that what I suggest is a bold, controversial strategy, and that there are many reasons why it might not end up being executed on Jan. 6,” Mr. Chesebro wrote. “But as long as it is one possible option, to preserve it as a possibility it is important that the Trump-Pence electors cast their electoral votes on Dec. 14.”

Three days later, Mr. Chesebro drew up specific instructions to create fraudulent electors in multiple states — in another memo whose existence, along with the one in November, was first reported by The Times last year. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot also cited them in its December report, but it apparently did not learn of the Dec. 6 memo.

“I believe that what can be achieved on Jan. 6 is not simply to keep Biden below 270 electoral votes,” Mr. Chesebro wrote in the newly disclosed memo. “It seems feasible that the vote count can be conducted so that at no point will Trump be behind in the electoral vote count unless and until Biden can obtain a favorable decision from the Supreme Court upholding the Electoral Count Act as constitutional, or otherwise recognizing the power of Congress (and not the president of the Senate) to count the votes.”

 

it would be great if Trump just went away and we never had to deal with him again. He won’t do that nor will his supporters. While many on the right who find Trump embarrassing like to accuse Democrats and anti Trump
republicans as having “Trump Derangement Syndrome” it’s not those people attending his rallies, donating to his campaign or pledging to vote for him in the upcoming elections. It’s also the willingness by so many who claims they don’t like Trump who still reflexively defend him with arguments they this is all political and witch hunts that keep him relevant. It’s the people who say Trump is a buffoon and that they didn’t vote for him yet throw all sort of strained arguments to keep him out of jail that enable him.

It’s long been obvious Trump isn’t going to go quietly. He’s not going to respect the will of the people or act for the good of the people. He and his movement have to be defeated over and over. At the polls, in the courts and sadly as we saw on January 6 and Charlottesville in the streets.

At some point the a Republican Party and Rightwing movement have to have an internal reckoning about what they are and what they stand for.

 

If Trump does go to jail, Trump 2028! Let the fund raising begin!

I'm just saying.

 

Think he'll even live that long? He's a physical mess. Speaking of mess, do they provide adult diapers and butt wipes in prison? Could he buy them at the commissary with his cult donations?

 

Exactly. He's the one running for a third time and they're the ones supporting him when he could've just retired to play golf and get cushy speaking gigs. But, he's a raging narcissist and his supporters love that his narcissism allows them to be the worst versions of themselves.

Trump 2024: Look what you're making me do. Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself!

 

lol




https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/08/i-believe-that-what-can-be-achieved-on.html

August 9, 2023
"I believe that what can be achieved on Jan. 6 is not simply to keep Biden below 270 electoral votes. It seems feasible that the vote count can be conducted so that at no point will Trump be behind in the electoral vote count..."

"... unless and until Biden can obtain a favorable decision from the Supreme Court upholding the Electoral Count Act as constitutional, or otherwise recognizing the power of Congress (and not the president of the Senate) to count the votes."

Wrote Kenneth Chesebro — AKA Co-Conspirator 5 — in a newly revealed memo, quoted in "Previously Secret Memo Laid Out Strategy for Trump to Overturn Biden’s Win/The House Jan. 6 committee’s investigation did not uncover the memo, whose existence first came to light in last week’s indictment" (NYT).

The false electors scheme... involved lawyers working on his campaign’s behalf across seven states, [and] dozens of electors willing to claim that Mr. Trump — not Mr. Biden — had won their states....

As he had done in the earlier memo, Mr. Chesebro cited writings by a Harvard Law School professor, Laurence H. Tribe, to bolster his argument that the deadlines and procedures in the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional and that state electoral votes need not be finalized until Congress’s certification on Jan. 6.

Mr. Chesebro had worked as Mr. Tribe’s research assistant as a law student and later helped him in his representation of Vice President Al Gore during the 2000 election.

Calling his former mentor “a key Biden supporter and fervent Trump critic,” Mr. Chesebro cited what he described as Mr. Tribe’s legal views, along with writings by several other liberals as potential fodder for a messaging strategy. It would be “the height of hypocrisy for Democrats to resist Jan. 6 as the real deadline, or to suggest that Trump and Pence would be doing anything particularly controversial,” he wrote....​

Yesterday, Professor Tribe published an essay decrying Cheseboro's interpretation of the position taking back in 2000. Tribe asserts that his argument was specific to the Florida law at play in Bush v. Gore.

[And] Mr. Chesebro cited a constitutional treatise in which Mr. Tribe wrote that a past Congress cannot bind the actions of a later Congress, which Mr. Chesebro used to buttress his proposal that parts of the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional. But Mr. Tribe wrote that what he meant was Congress can pass new legislation changing such a law....​

Whatever the details of what Professor Tribe really meant, the question now is whether the Chesebro interpretation is so manifestly wrong as a legal theory that Trump could not creditably rely on it in fighting, legally, for a victory in the 2020 election. Chesebro, who worked directly with Tribe, was citing Tribe as an authority and purporting to know what Tribe meant and presenting this legal theory as something that could be pursued legally. It's supposed to be a crime for Trump to have relied on that?

FROM THE COMMENTS: Ampersand said:

Tribe's legal theorizing always has as its first step the conclusion that the Dems win. The second step is to reason backwards from the conclusion, and the third step is to rearrange the sequence to create the appearance that he didn't start with the conclusion. Chesebro jumbled it up. What a dope.​

Posted by Ann Althouse at 8:21 AM
8:21 AM
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Kenny Chesebro sounds like a Chuck-E-Cheese side character.

 

I agree with you about the wisdom of his not commenting publicly about Trump, but it strains credulity otherwise to suggest Biden has played no role leading up to the indictments. The New York Times reported last year about Biden's growing impatience at the slow pace of the legal process:

The attorney general’s deliberative approach has come to frustrate Democratic allies of the White House and, at times, President Biden himself. As recently as late last year, Mr. Biden confided to his inner circle that he believed former President Donald J. Trump was a threat to democracy and should be prosecuted, according to two people familiar with his comments. And while the president has never communicated his frustrations directly to Mr. Garland, he has said privately that he wanted Mr. Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who is willing to take decisive action over the events of Jan. 6.
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He might not ever have spoken directly with Garland, but I'm guessing it doesn't take much for folks lower down in the food chain to get Biden's message across to the DOJ. But I agree that Biden remaining publicly silent is a prudent thing to do.

 

Come on man, that's just FREE Speech!!!! I can say anything I want and its protected!!!

 

Come on man, that's just FREE Speech!!!! I can say anything I want and its protected!!!

I agree BUT, I would say your last sentence could read, "love that his narcissism allows them to be the honest versions of themselves"

 

Not holding my breath. Don’t you think they’re past that? The current rump GOP is a natural by product of our Civil War. And I don’t mean just white supremacists, although at its core racism is the fear and hatred of the Other. MAGAs — because that’s what the Republicans are now - are folks who have been left behind economically and culturally; and they’re willing to blown up a “rigged” system to take away that pain and fear.

I don’t think they will change their minds or compromise… they need to lose and America needs to have a bitter reckoning. Not sure if the country can survive that.