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Houston school district to turn libraries into disciplinary centers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Jul 31, 2023.

  1. Xopher

    Xopher Member
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    So instead of literally ****ing the kids, the Texas GOP are multi-tasking and figuratively ****ing them too.
     
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    I don't know how much of a problem not enough teachers is but HISD is a wealthy district by state standards. It seems like you're a teacher but it isn't a poor district
     
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    HISD is such a wealthy district that we saw this…

    According to Directors Ruth Lopez Turley and Erin Baumgartner at Rice University's Kinder Institute for Urban Research, Texas is behind the national average of how much the state spends per student in the classroom. More specifically, data from the U.S. Census Bureau shows that Texas spends $3,000 less than the national average.

    Overall, Texas spent a little over $10,000 per student in 2020; as the largest school district in the state, HISD spent even less, averaging $9,380 per student. Another factor impacting students' academic outcomes is investing even more money into low-income students.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    The top 3 districts in the state have between 13 to 14 students per teacher. HISD has 19.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    Is 19 an overcrowded number? Doesn’t seem so

    Edit:The national average is 24
     
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    From that link Black and Hispanic students do better in HISD than the rest of the nation

    HISDis wealthy, not saying they can't do better. It would be interesting to see what spending per student entails

    Edit, I don't agree with what the superintendent is doing either because HISD is a well performing district.
     
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    Again, Democrat Harold Dutton!, Wheatley alum made HISD's takeover possible. His intentions were good
     
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    When I first read this, I thought it was a joke. A lousy joke, but a joke. That this couldn't be something actually happening, yet it is.
    Thank goodness, our two kids are grown and out of school. Yes, they went to Austin public schools, but I have family members who taught in HISD. I went through HISD and lived. I had excellent teachers, and mediocre ones, both types outnumbered by simply good, solid teachers who taught their subjects well, spending countless hours working at home as well as at their school and for far less renumeration than they deserved.

    I'm ashamed of my state. Ashamed of the political party in control at the state capital that appears to be determined to destroy our public schools.
     
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    The ave is 15 to 1 in the nation in school districts. Different grades can have more or less per class, but it averages out to that number nationwide.
     
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    I am talking district averages, and Houston ISD averages 19 to 1. Not sure what you mean by the White school. I wasn't talking demographics, but Lamar CISD is 26.2% White, 20.5% Black, 7.2% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 42.4% Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.2% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    My post was more to Reeko on minority students but the schools I listed with the lower averages are among HISD's poorer performers, black/Hispanic mostly schoolsand Lamar High School is one of the better performers.

    Regardless it looks like the experts think an 18 to 1 is optimal. I assumed you're associated with HISD in some way. When I say HISD is wealthy, they have to share money with poorer Texas districts

    Texas schools rank 27th nationally, middle of the road
     
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    I'm not associated with any district, but I did work in over 25 schools in Pasadena ISD subbing in mainly Autism/Special Ed classes for a few years before the pandemic hit. I have worked in a few behavior units at elementary schools and it was a real eye opener. It's amazing how violent or trash mouthed some of those young kids are already at such a young age. Some had serious anger management issues. I don't know what type homelife or parents they had, but my guess was it wasn't good. I don't remember kids like that in my classes growing up.

    Then again, that was before Special Ed inclusion in our schools, and at a time kids acting out got their butts paddled by the principal. It was also back before robberies, gang bangers or violence was ever a concern in our area, so I can't really compare the factors of my neighborhood schools back then to schools from the worst parts of town then or today.
     
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    No argument to make, just wanted to point out that Lamar HS is 74% minority, with Hispanics and then AA being the two largest demographics. Whites are third.
    The school is ranked #17 in HISD by US News rankings.
     
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    How do these statistics factor in the towns where the entire school district is like 100 kids? I almost think that the spending per average is skewed because of how large texas is and how many small towns there are. I hate the idea that you have to spend to get kids to learn more (it doesn't cost this much to home school, as an example).

    I wonder if it is more an allocation problem? IE, teacher pay being too low, but admin pay being too high. I always hate the idea of just throwing more money at something before tearing a budget down and seeing where there's waste (I really hate the robin hood thing, because we can see districts like HISD and Spring Branch having schools that are aged giving away a bunch of their funds). It's a delicate balancing act though, I understand different school districts need additional funds since it's all based on property taxes, but don't think it's so simple.
     
  17. Reeko

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    HISD is below even the below average spending per student that TX is doing tho

    spending includes up to date resources, books, better teaching and learning environments…u can’t compare homeschooling to public schooling
     
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    They may as well go ahead and call HISD the new prison system for youth.
     

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