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  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol….this is the best the right wing can do…. Play gotcha with airplanes….
     
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    Clearly no governments believe it is a threat to the existence of mankind, certainly not all the major powers. If they did, they would put aside all their other differences toward working together.
     
  3. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Humans can't even agree on nukes, which I think is as straight forward a threat to mankind as we can comprehend. Sadly it'll take a few populated shorelines to disappear or some massive famines world wide for it to sink in.
     
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    Unfortunately with a vast problem of collective nature it’s easier to pass the Buck, rationalize your own actions and then expect others to do the right thing.

    For example the PRC isn’t in denial
    About climate change but they still rationalize burning coal with the claim that they are still a developing country. They then say it’s the industrialized western countries that should be doing more. At the same time then many in the US say they should not be doing more as long as the PRC continues to do little.
     
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    Clarify - are you for or against more CO2 emissions?
     
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    These places near Houston will be underwater by 2050, study says
    Portions of Galveston will fall below sea level as waters rise due to climate change, according to a new interactive map design.

    By Dan CarsonUpdated July 24, 2023 3:40 p.m.

    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texas-cities-houston-sea-level-18257463.php

    A new interactive mapping tool designed by Climate Central, a group of independent scientists and journalists studying climate change, shows large swathes of land along Texas barrier islands and bordering the Gulf of Mexico falling below sea level by the year 2050, including sections of Galveston Island, Port Bolivar and Beaumont.

    The group's sea level projection tool can be adjusted to account for varying levels of pollution and "luck" regarding the occurrences of natural disasters. Adjusted to reflect a "medium" level of luck and a "high pollution" pathway, Climate Central mapping shows portions of Galveston Island will begin to disappear beneath sea level by 2050. Sections of Moody Gardens, including much of the Rainforest Pyramid, the Aquarium at Moody Gardens and Moody Gardens Golf Course, appear as though they will be swallowed in the rising tide over coming decades.

    Jamaica Beach will see even worse losses, including the submersion of waterside properties and hotels alongside Jolly Roger Road and neighboring subdivisions. Much of Surfside Beach, Oyster Creek and Freeport Beach is also estimated to fall below sea level in the coming decades, according to Climate Central's projections.

    Climate Central's maps use measurements and estimations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and are based on "peer-reviewed science in leading journals."

    "These maps incorporate big datasets, which always include some error," the organization states. "These maps should be regarded as screening tools to identify places that may require deeper investigation of risk."

    So, we're not entirely doomed, necessarily. However, these projections are just the latest to paint a gloomy outlook of what Texans can expect from climate change and population growth in the coming century. Earlier this month, a report published by Atlanta-based carrier company moveBuddha estimated Houston could become the second-most populous U.S. city by the year 2100—if the city can safeguard itself against worsening natural disasters and continue to grow at its current rate.

    "Yes, Houston will be very hot in 2100," the report reads. "But the bigger threat may be more destructive hurricanes off the Gulf of Mexico...Planning for a future of these climate-induced threats will be critical for Houston."
     
  9. pirc1

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    Even then it might not be enough.
     
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    Chinese government is about as practical as it comes, they literally spend tons of money on every kind of energy infrastructure. They are willing to sacrifice some GDP but not willing to take a massive hit to the economy for global warming. China is on target to hit their wind and solar power goal five years early according to the guardian. Then you have the Biden administration which would block renewable energy equipment if it is made in China, obviously geopolitics is more important than global warming. This is one of the reasons I won't be voting for either Trump or Biden in the next election.
     
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    What renewable energy equipment? Google didn’t help; it only returns ban on solar components from certain Chinese companies due to human rights issues, specifically forced labor abuse.
     
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    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/En...llations-fall-23-in-2022-on-China-trade-curbs. Let's be realistic here, the main reason the equipment are banned is geopolitics, not human rights. I don't think the US is wrong for trying to stop China from over taking the US, but at least trying to keep it out of things like global warming where the threat to the existence of mankind is supposedly at hand.
     
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    China already has a totalitarian government. They have no need to push climate change!
     
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    You are wrong, Chinese leadership truly believe the science behind global warming, they are just not going to collapse the economy to resolve this issue.
     
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    Perfect is the enemy of the good....

    Of course geopolitics (shorter term) is more important than climate change (longer term) for humans. And yes, we will install less solar in the short term due to China and other non China delays (as your broken link would probably indicate). However, we made a choice to both tackle climate change and tackle China's dominance in many strategic areas.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...ace-delivery-woes-pull-away-china-2023-03-03/
     
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    The logic is probably I would be long dead before mankind faces the catastrophic problems, but my election is next year.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    And depending on how old you are, you might be right.
     
  18. Amiga

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    Biden admin actions tell me a different story.
    1. The Biden admin banned solar components (and other materials not related to energy) from Chinese companies that the US said used forced labor (EU as well).
    2. The admin instituted a two-year pause on tariffs on solar panels from Chinese companies.
    3. Biden vetoed bipartisan legislation that would have reinstated tariffs.
    In the longer term, once infrastructure for solar panel plants (including Chinese solar companies planning to manufacture panels in the US) in the US is operational, the administration can play geopolitics. But at this stage, I interpret the admin's actions as an attempt to balance procuring solar components to meet demand in the short term while still upholding its human rights standards.

    Also note that SEIA expects "a robust return to growth in 2023. While there is still uncertainty around the CBP’s requirements to release detained equipment under the UFLPA, some manufacturers have had small releases in the last several months. It will likely take several more months, and the timing is far from certain, but we expect shipments to accelerate in the second half of the year. This will help 2023 installations grow 41% over 2022 to 28.4 GWdc, assuming no further disruptions."
     
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    Lol
    Apparently the Lin fan here doesn’t know that Galveston isn’t Houston

    Tilman would have won 10 championships before anything goes under water breh
    @Os Trigonum
     
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