There's no way Bryce is going to get picked in the 20's or the 3rd round lol. With our luck, if we passed on him, the Colts get him and he kicks our butts for the next decade
Bart Starr, Len Dawson, Staubach, Theisman all won Super Bowls. Some were listed at 6'1", some at 6'. All under 200 lbs. This was before official measurements, which is why I put the measurements in quotes in my original post. Even more made it and lost. Even if you want to play the 6'1" is not 5'10" and change game, remember, it's not height we're concerned about here. And also that that height may have been inflated in the past. And also that the league didn't coddle those guys back then. I get that he's small, and I know it's a gamble. I'm not disagreeing. I just think the "no quarterback ever" narrative is a bit played out.
This is such a trash take. You do realize that there is no guarantee that a team will want to trade away a “great Qb” prospect. Let alone for what is probably mid first round picks. You have the chance at one for free now. You can build around your QB next year with those picks. See Jalen Hurts. Both Stroud/Young are better now than he ever was. Scheme and talent are equally important and you are throwing 2 first round talent guys for a crap shoot. I would be weary of Caleb Williams. The Lincoln Riley effect is real and this kid has maturity issues. Not worth selling the farm in what I would consider a crapshoot.
Thanks for this. Not sure why posters keep putting Will Anderson in their mocks. There's already been multiple reports that we're taking a QB at 2. Just living in denial.
What reports? I haven’t seen anything verifying we would be taking a QB. I think a lot of the moves indicate it, but haven’t seen reports of it
Yeah the anti-QB at #2 contingency is pretty odd to me. With the near necessity of having a franchise QB to be a true contender and with how difficult it is to acquire one, I'd think this is a no-brainer. Stroud/Young would go #1/#2 whether or not the Texans were picking - neither would be a reach in any sense. When you are in a prime position to take a QB like we are this year, you do it. The argument that we should just focus on building the best roster possible by going BPA i.e. Will Anderson goes out the window when the suggestion is we trade the farm next year to move up to take William/Maye next year (if Texans are picking 8-12 range next year, it's going to take a lot more than just those two firsts). Plus as a fan it's just a lot more exciting to start this new era with a new face of the franchise at quarterback.
In this era it’s been Wilson, Brees going back to Dawson, Stauback, and Theisman is pretty laughable, but I get that you were just sick of the no QB ever comment. Hell, Lambert was considered a monster LB at the time. The speed and power of the game has changed dramatically. Young is probably going to play at 5’ 10 1/2 and under 200 lbs. He beefed up for the combine, but didn’t weigh at pro day. I think he is potentially a franchise QB, just don’t think he will make a single season unscathed. I hope I’m wrong, because I think the Texans will draft him.
Interesting Casserio was visting SMU. Think Rice is an overlooked prospect that fits the mold of what our receiving corpse lacks well. Could be an option at #33 or potentially later, seems to be all over the place on mocks.
Steve Smith disagrees Bryce Young would be the smallest QB drafted this high?… BY’s size is not an opinion: he’s small. Whatever impact that might have, we’ll see. But we’re in unprecedented territory if goes top 2.
Brees: 6’0¼, 213 Vick: 6’0, 210 Theismann: 6’0, 192 Tarkenton: 6’0, 190 Dawson: 6’0, 190 Jurgensen: 5’11, 202 Wilson: 5’10⅝, 204 Murray: 5’10⅛, 207 B.Young: 5’10⅛, 204 Flutie: 5’10, 180 LeBaron: 5’9, 168 O’Brien: 5’7, 151 https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/2023/3/3/23623742/bryce-young-height-short-nfl-combine-outlier […] For some NFL teams this year, Young will be undraftable. For all of his production, incredible film, winning pedigree, and football character, the elephant in the room is both a big elephant and a small one: Young might just be too small for the league. […] Since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, 172 quarterbacks have started at least 50 games—only 11 of them were 6-foot or shorter. Among those players are Kyler Murray, Michael Vick, Russell Wilson, and Drew Brees. That’s not bad company to be in, but remember—these are the quarterbacks who hit, as they accumulated 50 or more starts over the course of their careers. If we instead look at just quarterbacks drafted since 1970, just 30 of the 522 quarterbacks selected (5.7 percent) have been 6 feet tall or shorter. If we look at just picks in the first three rounds? Seven of 241 quarterbacks. And if we look just at Round 1? Three of 127: Vick, Murray, and Johnny Manziel. Height is only half of the equation for Young. Here’s all of those first-round quarterbacks, graphed by height (in inches) and weight. That dot way on the left is Murray, who measured in at just over 5-foot-10—but critically, Murray also weighed in at 207 pounds, well above his expected weight based on that trendline. If we assume that Young will come in at McShay’s expected measurements—195 pounds at 5-foot-10 ½—here’s where he’d land on this chart of first-round quarterbacks. Now, that’s pretty lonely territory, but it doesn’t look too bad. But many of the other sub-200-pounders on this chart were drafted a long time ago. If we look just at first-round quarterbacks in the 2000s, we see that Young will likely be the only quarterback selected in the first round who weighs less than 200 pounds. While the group of short quarterbacks certainly has its respectable players, the group of short and slight quarterbacks doesn’t—mostly because it doesn’t have any players at all. Since 1970, only eight quarterbacks (out of 302) have been drafted at 200 pounds or under. Last year, South Dakota State QB Chris Oladokun became the eighth; before him, the most recent was Pat White, a second-round selection in 2009 by the Miami Dolphins. White is also the only one of the eight to go before the sixth round. Looking back at our first-round quarterbacks, we see only one below 210 pounds—that’s Murray. At 210 pounds are Manziel, Vick, Cade McNown, Joey Harrington, and Rick Mirer. Not exactly elite company. Young isn’t just small—he is as small a quarterback prospect as we have ever seen, and certainly the smallest quarterback prospect to ever have been considered at the top of the first round. For as talented as Young is, to select him with a first-round pick is to make him, from Day 1, an outlier flying in the face of expected builds for NFL players. […] The issue is apparent. All of the short quarterbacks who were successful are some of the most astounding and unbelievable stories that we have at quarterback. We didn’t even touch on the absurd accuracy of Wilson’s deep moon shots, long the calling card of his passing game; or the truly singular electricity of Vick’s rushing ability; or the fact that, while Murray has started more than 50 games and signed a huge second contract, it may be a bridge too far to call him a success story for short quarterbacks as the top overall pick. For Young to be successful, he has to compensate for his smaller and slighter frame with truly superlative skills in other areas. And there is an argument for that. Go back to the 2021 Iron Bowl—or to any of Young’s film from the past two seasons—and you’ll see one of the most poised playmaking quarterbacks that college football has offered. Behind an Alabama line that underachieved in pass protection—and, in 2022, throwing to a receiving corps far below the Tide’s standard—Young regularly erased pressures with feel and quickness; and created explosive plays with vision, accuracy, and arm talent. On plays like these, Young looks exactly like a modern NFL quarterback. Free and relaxed in the pocket; comfortable outside of it, as well. Enough of an athlete to make pressure miss, then embarrass a defensive lineman in space. A sudden thrower with a whip of a release and tons of velocity and accuracy from adjusted platforms. But on Saturday, Young won’t look anything like a modern NFL quarterback—he won’t look like an NFL quarterback at all. He’ll look like a regular guy who snuck his way into the NFL combine, threw on the players’ gear, and is just trying to not get noticed. He will officially register as a uniquely small player—one that will force one NFL team to take one of the greatest risks, one of the biggest plunges, that we’ve seen in any draft cycle. And he’ll start his journey to become one of the league’s greatest outliers.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/bryce-young-size-pro-day-2023-nfl-draft/ […] His height of 5-foot-10 and ⅛ put him in the first percentile of all draftable quarterbacks since 1999 (per MockDraftable.com), and his weight of 204 pounds put him in the sixth percentile. In pro football history, the list of quarterbacks any starting experience at a height of 5-foot-10 to 5-foot-11, and 200 to 204 pounds is a short (sorry) one, with Sonny Jurgensen leading the list, along with 1987 strike quarterback Sean Payton (yes, that Sean Payton), and Seneca Wallace as the only quarterback from the new millennium. If we drop the weight down to 185-190, which was more likely Young’s actual playing weight, the list is even less spectacular, especially in the modern era. How tall are you as a thrower? One reason the ball just explodes off Young’s hand is that he’s generally mechanically integrated — everything works together for the optimal result. And here’s where his throwing height — where the ball comes out — is crucial. Young doesn’t really have any weird stuff in his delivery that would affect his process. He has a compact, quick, overhand delivery, and though he can adjust his arm angles as need be, that’s the default setting, as it should be. When throwing directly over the middle in 2022, Young completed 63 of 90 passes for 839 yards, 340 air yards, seven touchdowns, two interceptions, and a passer rating of 115.9. It’s the kind of thing that isn’t a problem for shorter quarterbacks until it is, and in Young’s case, it hasn’t been yet. This 53-yard pass to Isaiah Bond against Arkansas showed not only how Young could navigate a cross blitz, but also how well he moves to the open spots of the line to see open targets. This is Young moving up in the pocket, and throwing a 49-air yard dart. [Vid] Moving to the open lane is an adaptative strategy adopted by any great shorter quarterback from Fran Tarkenton to Drew Brees to Russell Wilson. Young has perfected it, because he has had to. [Vid] How do you handle pressure, and compromised throwing lanes? The first thing you need to know about blitzing Bryce Young is that… well, don’t do it. Against six or more pass-rushers in 2022, Young completed 20 of 34 passes for 318 yards, 146 air yards, 12 touchdowns, no interceptions, and a passer rating of 129.7. As they say, if you come at the king, you’d best not miss. Young has what Patrick Mahomes has developed to an alien degree — an instinctual feel for where people are in the pocket, and how to get out of it to make the big play. That’s how he can make ridiculous scramble drill throws like this one against LSU. There’s also the issue of defenders getting right in his face — well, how does he do when some giant dude beats his blocker and prevents Young from seeing things as he would like to? Ask Kansas State defensive lineman Jaylen Pickle, who swore he had Young dead to rights, and had to watch helplessly as Young threw this 47-yard bomb to receiver Jermaine Burton. [Vid] How do you react to big hits? As Saban said after Young’s pro day, the only time Young was injured in his collegiate career was a shoulder malady that happened against Arkansas when he tried to break his own fall when he was running away from linebacker Drew Sanders. That was in Week 5 of the 2022 season. Young came back for Alabama’s Week 7 game against Tennessee, and completed 35 of 52 passes for 455 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and a passer rating of 107.5. Aside from that, Young seems to have a good sense of avoiding the big hit, which is important. He was sacked 19 times last season, but he’s smart about giving himself up as things start to fall apart. [Vid] Even when he’s blindsided, he’ll fold nicely and live to fight to the next down. [Vid] If Young goes to an NFL team with a horrible offensive line and gets pummeled constantly, could that negatively affect his NFL future? Sure, but you could say that of most quarterbacks. Maybe Bryce Young's outlier status is both good and bad. NFL teams do not like to take risks on unknown commodities. They also do not appreciate being put in a position to have to gamble on outliers. Safe decisions can save your job, even if they don’t work out, because hey, at least you played to type. In that regard, Bryce Young is a “problem” for NFL teams, because he’s going to force them to think outside the box. […]
