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[CNN] FDA is ‘working around the clock’ to address baby formula shortage, Psaki says

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Not having kids this crisis hasn't affected me but I do think this is a problem of protectionism and how good intentions can go wrong. The idea that local governments could use leverage WIC to negotiate good deals with formula manufacturers and in turn keep jobs here in the US sounds great on paper and is why many on both sides of the political aisle pushed this. That inevitably leads to more concentration in a handful of manufacturers. As we seen when even one major manufacturer has problems we get shortages and because of protectionist policies makes it difficult to make those up.

    Baby formula is the current example but we've seen other examples in things like meat production where during COVID meat packing plants were hit hard.

    Things like this should be a reminder of why we need more competition and wider sourcing of many things. I get why many don't like globalization but a crisis like this is exactly why globalization is essential to a large and vibrant economy.
     
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    dont **** your labour base by shipping your manufacturing industries to $2 a day countries isnt the same as become an autarky
     
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    Just an FYI - If you blend bananas, avocado and coconut water - you have the perfect baby formula.
     
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    Wat.
     
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    what if you throw in some rum?
     
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    That could apply to some industries but not this one. The problem in this crisis is that there are only a handful of large domestic manufacturers and there are policies in place that prevent the easy importation of formula from other countries.

    The baby formula industry is pretty much the model that many look to fight globalization. It largely stayed domestic helped by large government contracts while regulatory barriers protect it from foreign competition or outsourcing labor. The problem that can happen though when you protect your domestic market is exactly what we're seeing. When something goes wrong you have a hard time sourcing from foreign suppliers.
     
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    They'll sleep just fine
     
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    As someone earlier alluded, sure we might think we get European quality goods by opening up borders, but free trade generally races to the bottom and we potentially get China quality scams.

    Offshoring/outsourcing pharmaceutical base chemicals from China caused major headaches in our supply chain sourcing. We pretty much trust most of what the drugs say they are since we don't have that many inspectors to verify what comes to our shores.
     
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    Yes there are problems and risks with off shoring and outsourcing but over the long run it has proven the best way to provide us with access to more good and at lower prices. Off shoring and outsourcing doesn't mean we do away with the FDA and other regulatory standards. We import a lot of food from other countries and in general we have very few cases of food borne illnesses because we still continue to inspect food. For that matter many foreign producers will produce following the standards of the countries that they import too. In the EU stricter standards have meant that countries wanting to sell there have improved their products to meet those standards. There trade rather than a race to the bottom has actually lifted the standards.
     
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    They need to focus on approving Delta-9 THC.
     
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    Babies need formula now. It really is that simple

    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3496694-babies-need-formula-now-it-really-is-that-simple/

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    While it’s true that there are demographic discrepancies in formula usage, the more pressing truth is that American babies of all racial, ethnic, socio-economic, religious and geographic backgrounds will survive their earliest and most vulnerable months in the world by drinking baby formula. Formula, which has been around since the late 19th century but only became safe and widely available after World War II, is in large measure responsible for astronomical decreases in infant mortality.

    So, this formula shortage is as collective an experience of deprivation as anyone could divine.

    And yet, as in response to everything these days – no matter how apolitical it might seem to a rational person – a serious yet simple problem leads not to the impulse for collective action, but to the proliferation of individual soap boxes.

    For some “breast is best” acolytes, the inability to rely on technological advances like formula should prompt a return to a model of motherhood in which every woman breastfeeds her own children, and society supports it. Never mind that such a time has never really existed. (There were – often enslaved – wet nurses for the babies of the wealthy, and too common starvation unto death for the babies of the poor.)

    Meanwhile, for those on the right, the formula shortage is clearly a result of overregulation. And for those on the left, it is equally clearly a result of monopoly. Both arguments have merit; I don’t know which is correct. But I do know that this question ought to be utterly irrelevant to most of us amid the present crisis, which should be resolved as swiftly as possible before being considered as a case study from which to gain insights about economics, cultural conceptions of motherhood or anything else.

    That it could be otherwise – that otherwise normal people could be more invested in “what this crisis says about me” (my infant feeding choices, my economic ideology and so on) than in its resolution – is the height of exactly the narcissism and decadence that are destroying our ability to solve all kinds of universal problems together.
    more at the link
     
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    lol
     
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    Why even worry about baby formula right now? We have real issues like Ukraine and people still aren't using the correct and desired pronouns... We first must defeat freedom of speech and Elon Musk.... So many problems and this is what they worry about? Have they not even listened to one word Fauci has said? Sad....
     
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    You've got those Sunday jokes, eh? Let the babies drink contaminated formula or better yet we could import some from the CCP, I heard it's only of the best quality. Maybe if we wouldn't allow just a couple companies to produce something that's so vital to life we wouldn't be in this situation.

    The GOP loves ya...until you come out the womb then it's all about those bootstraps baby.


    192 REPUBLICANS DECIDE THEY’D LIKE FORMULA-SEEKING PARENTS TO KEEP SUFFERING

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/republicans-formula-bills-note-votes
     
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    So we agree that there are more important things that aren't getting looked at by the current government because they are too busy addressing the most stupid things you can think of and its actually real not a joke....

    Rinos exist, I get it.... They have been around and always will be.
     

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