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James Harden's Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jerryclark, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. blahblehblah

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    Bill Simmons in his most recent podcast just reported this:
    This is nuts if true! Morey would be nuts not to accept this deal right?

    IMO the only way this report is real is if Harden told the Nets he wants to be traded OR the Nets front office have soured on Harden and don't think he's going to be healthy or good in the future.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/0F0h9kW0aIuoU8MWsSLfEj At about the 7 minute mark is when he brings this up.
     
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    I think it will get done. This just confirms shams report that the nets will now trade harden if they get what they want and more importantly harden wants a trade
     
  4. J.R.

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    When Philadelphia 76ers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey reached out to Brooklyn Nets general manager Sean Marks on Jan. 11, they started with the usual pleasantries of basketball executives still a month away from Thursday's NBA trade deadline.

    Who do you like on our roster? Here's who I like on yours.

    Eventually, Morey spoke up on the true intention of his call.

    "What about James?"

    "James who?" Marks responded.

    The Nets do have two James -- Johnson and Harden.

    "James Harden."

    "No," Marks said flatly.

    That exchange four weeks ago represents the single, direct communication between Morey and Marks this season, sources told ESPN. However brief the conversation, messages were delivered in each direction: The Sixers planned a pursuit of Harden, and the Nets had no intention of surrender.

    With three days to go until the trade deadline, this is where the dialogue has remained. Yes, Morey could still pick up the phone and call Marks this week. The Sixers' ownership group have a strong relationship with Nets owner Joe Tsai, so communication can happen on that level, too.

    For now, the lack of clarity centered on Harden's intentions represent the axis on which the circumstances could shift in the Nets' murky partnership with him. Harden can become a free agent after this season, and while he has continued to tell his Nets teammates, coaches and the front office that he is committed to winning in Brooklyn long term, his actions on and away from the court suggest some ambivalence.

    Harden hasn't had an agent in several years, but he does have a business manager, Lorenzo McCloud. When Harden wanted out of Houston before the 2020 season, he commissioned agents Jason Ranne and Chafie Fields at Wasserman to work with the Houston Rockets and rival teams to facilitate a trade. They played a key role in getting Harden to the Nets, and then the working relationship ended in March of 2021, sources said.

    Once again, sources told ESPN, Harden and his manager have been searching for an agent to partner and navigate the situation -- whether that's free agency, a sign-and-trade to leave the Nets after the season, staying on a new deal, or even a trade prior to Thursday's deadline.

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    Brooklyn is trusting that the injury is a legitimate hindrance to Harden playing now -- an MRI Saturday confirmed there was tightness -- the way it is trusting his word that he wants to remain with the franchise, sources said.

    Even so, saying he's committed isn't nearly as convincing as showing it -- and that's something Harden has barely done lately. At times this season, Harden has played dispassionate and disappointing basketball -- perhaps injury-related in some instances, perhaps pouty in others.

    Harden's private grousing about Nets coaches, teammates and the organization has made its way throughout the league, but those who've worked with him in the past understand that's how it goes in troubled times with him. Almost anyone who has spent considerable time with Harden in the NBA concedes that he can be quick to blame others -- and seldom himself.

    Nets leadership is banking on the momentum of the season to change once Durant returns -- perhaps after the All-Star break -- and the load is lessened on Harden and Irving. Durant has significant sway with the organization, but he isn't telling Tsai and Marks what they ought to do at the trade deadline, sources said. Durant still wants Harden, sources said, but wants a committed Harden.

    The Nets and Sixers privately believe they have significant leverage when it comes to Harden. The Sixers would want to offer a spartan trade package beyond exiled star Ben Simmons because they believe the Nets risk losing him for nothing in the summer. The Nets would want a massive package beyond Simmons, because Philadelphia cannot acquire Harden without unloading significant talent and draft assets to create the salary-cap space for free agency. The Sixers have $133 million on the books for the 2022-23 season, and creating the room to sign him would take the unloading of several players and draft picks.

    "Why would Brooklyn accept anything less now than the assets it would cost Philly to unload contracts and create the space this summer?" one NBA GM wondered to ESPN.

    The Sixers (32-21) strong play behind MVP candidate, Joel Embiid, seems to have bolstered their resolve to wait on Harden -- if not at the trade deadline, then in the offseason. Because even as Harden tells the Nets that he wants to stay long-term, two people with significant history and relationships with him -- Sixers minority owner Michael Rubin, and Morey -- believe Harden's interested in playing in Philadelphia, sources said.

    These are high-stakes games of leverage between teams and flinching first can obliterate an edge. Three days until the NBA's trade deadline, and the question remains: Does Philadelphia place another call and truly push the Nets to consider a surrender on James Harden?
     
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    I really, really hope this is true. For our sake, that is. Harden, Durant, and Kyrie are declining in front of our eyes. In another season, they will be like the late KG/Pierce/Allen Celtics who make the playoffs as lower seeds but don't make any noise. With their injury histories, 2024 onwards should get us some serious returns on the trade, but that doesn't happen if they land Simmons who will do a lot to keep them relevant, and our picks from ever reaching top-10.
     
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    Thank you for showing some clips of players trying to score the basketball and while the refs blowing whistles on some questionable contacts.

    Now let me show you a funny clown.



    Riiight cause KD, KI, JH are all 2 letters and then you get 222, then boom
     
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    i3artow i3aller, sirjesse and Easy like this.
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  11. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    All I'm saying is Morey better not give the Nets Maxey

    Dude is 21 and that could significantly make those Nets picks Worse for years to come!
     
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    I don't know how right you are. I would say too... a lot of their future success depends on Durant. It is looking like he is struggling to stay healthy each season now. Ben Simmons and a Durant on the bench is way different than a Simmons playing with Durant needless to say.
     
  13. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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    No clue what is true with all these reports coming out but there's a ton of smoke everywhere.

    - BR & espn reports Harden isn't happy with Nash's coaching, Kyries issues and all the injuries.

    - Perk reports Harden's camp is telling the Sixer he wants to join Embiid while telling the Nets he wants to stay.

    - Woj is saying Nets not taking calls on Harden, but it could change

    - Sham is saying the Nets WILL take calls on a Harden trade soon.

    - reports are out that Harden is looking for an agent.

    - multiple reports that some in the Nets front office are not sold on Harden and wants to trade him. While Marks and other do not.

    Crazy to think there is this much intrigue and suspense with Harden and the KD Nets Superteam when they've been together for less than 2 seasons.
     
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    quite the paragraph from woj at the beginning
     
  16. blahblehblah

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    YIKES! Woj shots fired...o_O:eek:
     
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    High expectations and need for superteams to win right away and it being in New York make anything less than playoff favorites out to be scrutinized, criticized and perhaps ostracized as well.
     
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    Same thing happened in Houston.

    Old habits never die.
     
  19. daywalker02

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    Durant basically wants Harden to play passionate ball but little does he know of the bad body language dude acquired when playing for the Rockets.

    Harden is just one of those guys that when it is going well, it is going good.

    The minute he is not feeling it, he tends to shut it down a little.

    This is the bball player Harden has become.....not the same hungry 6th man back with OKC.
     
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    Yea those harden clips you showed were under the old nba rules. You know the same clips I showed with Jordan and wade were in the Playoffs lol. Under the old nba, the league caught up to the warriors and curry and the 2021 nets were the greatest offense of all-time.

    Steve Kerr and mike budenholzer ran to the nba about how unfair the nets were. And then Adam changed the rules. Harden was creating a bunch of clones
     
    #8360 HardenVolumeOne, Feb 7, 2022
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