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Trump cancels pay raises for federal employees

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    Now now.... the government just stands in the way of corporations and the rich... build walls around the poor people and common slobs and let CEO’s, preachers and demigods tell you how you should live your life. Don’t worry, you will still have your gun and your bible so no worries... now get back to work.
     
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  2. gifford1967

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    Based on li'l bobby's posting pattern and history, he's either unemployed or committing massive wage/time theft. He'd have to really stretch to even approach "good enough for government work".
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, think so? Pretty much right in line with your typical hot takes that are divorced from reality. Your manager at the burger joint is going to get upset if you keep spending this much time dreaming up fan fiction about your betters killer.
     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Taking @Bobbythegreat 's word about federal employees, and union employees being the laziest isn't wise. He has the idea, but it isn't based on anything real.
     
  5. Amiga

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    Trump has zero care for the debt given how much he love his debt ballooning tax cut. Blatantly deceptive, but some people are very willing to be fooled.
     
  6. B-Bob

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    Just compare the real cost of the Richy Rich tax cut and this relative pittance for federal employees. As always, he is driven by a frothy mix of self-interest and spite.
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    But it isn't about any kind of sound fiscal reasoning. It's about punishing those lazy federal workers. We've been told that they are the laziest. @Bobbythegreat knows this not because of any study or academic research. He knows it is true simply because he's @Bobbythegreat .

    So it is okay hardworking, sound responsible, citizens like the Trump family tax breaks even at the detriment of our national debt and deficit if you get to punish lazy federal employees who struggle to make a liveable wage.
     
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  9. Rocketman1981

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    The pitfalls of a near socialized system in government labor due to SEIU and the inability for fire anyone or
    give pay raises for great work.

    I think its silly that the Cabinet Members make like $180,000 a year. They should be compensated more just as
    highly productive people in a competitive market should make more.

    But when its broad continuous raises for everyone it creates a system in which people are paid the most by
    tenure and not by productivity. In that system the best and brightest don't want to go as they receive undermarket
    compensation to subsidize the overcompensation for a secretary making nearly $100k because she's been there
    for 50 years.
     
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  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Well, I don't see his posts, but who could not agree with him?

    Let's elevate and lionize white nationalists and tax cheats and fraudsters. Let's also punish and denigrate people who have taken a lifetime of lower career earnings to contribute to the common effort of running the country and helping their fellow citizens.

    (Trying No Worries' sarcasm font.)
     
  11. Rocketman1981

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    This idea of a livable wage and inflation etc. is really dangerous. Whereas certain luxury goods have inflated the cost of televisions, food and most consumer products has fallen net of inflation over the last 30 years.

    Despite changes in inflation a person should earn what they would produce in a competitive market. That the government now pays more than the private sector including the great benefits its been a fight for people just to get in as they know they can't be fired.

    Inefficiency is derived from no consequences. As human beings we will do the least to get the most. When you have people who get raises
    year after year just for having a pulse and its nearly impossible to fire them, you get the terrible productivity of the US government.

    Always makes me laugh. So funny because its so true.
     
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  12. NewRoxFan

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    But this latest move by trump doesn't target overpaid cabinet members... instead, federal workers largely in middle class.
     
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  13. Rashmon

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    Not like they voted for him anyway but that's 2 million less votes...
     
  14. juicystream

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    You still don't understand how it works. They not only raise existing employees, but the starting pay. If you were a GS-1, Step 1 (the lowest of the low), you'd get a raise from $21,672 to $22,127. What a brand new hire in 2019 would get is the exact same $22,127. You qualify for performance based raises after certain time periods, so experience can pay more, but those are not automatic across the board raises.

    A secretary would never make that much if she was there 50 years because she would not qualify for the rank necessary to get that pay (Which is a GS-13, a very high federal employee rank that requires a doctorate degree to surpass). Assuming she did not have a college degree, the highest rank available is a GS-3, which after 18 years of good performance maxes out at $34,561.

    Those damn secretaries.
     
  15. Rashmon

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    Good explanation. It's pretty obvious some posting here have no clue how government pay grades, career ladders, and promotions work.

    Or you could be a state employee and pray for the occasional raise thrown your way.
     
  16. TheRealist137

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    you got a source for this?
     
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    @Bobbythegreat @Bobbythegreat twice is like pure uncut coca to him.

    You might get him trigger his medic alert pendant he snatched off ebay.
     
  18. Rashmon

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    Just don't print it three times...have you not seen Beetlejuice?
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    It just comes across as

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    For real though, not everything inflates, and some stuff fluctuates a lot. Year to Year it is hard see inflation (unless it is unhealthy inflation), but over time it really jumps out at you. I can tell you my software inflates every year (unfortunately faster than inflation). Lumber has been climbing. Food sometimes is harder to see because they change the size or ingredients to mask the changing prices.
     

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