Crying immigrant girl on Time magazine cover was never separated from her mom, father says

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border

Read it and weep.

 

Enforcing a law that separates families is a smart political move.....

 

LOL, your link proves that families were separated under Obama....You really should read more before posting. It says that Obama attempted to change the policy and keep families together in detention in 2014, but the courts rejected it....you know, because there was a law on the books since 1997 mandating the separation of the families in those situations.

Obama's reaction to that failure was to stop prosecuting people and just let them go free which is why you see immigration enforcement fall off a cliff during his time in office.....but despite that, he still separated families and even your Vox article states it (basically the Breitbart of the fringe left). Sorry kid, your narrative just doesn't match with reality.

 

Speaking of reading, did you read where I said that Obama did separate some families? So what you just posted shows that Obama had the goal of keeping families together and they did not make it standard operating procedure to separate families.

You've pretty much worn out any actual credibility anyone might have been willing to give you on this issue.

 

I see that there was a skipped post so I am assuming its the person I have on ignore. Agree with your above statement. The reports I have seen claiming otherwise are not valid reports.

 

So....again, if Obama separated some families, where was the outrage? The reaction today likens separation of families to Nazi Germany....why were they okay with it in the past?

Of course they didn't make it procedure to separate families, that happened in 1997, but it was still standard procedure to separate families under Obama....just like it was under Bush, just like it was under Clinton, just like it is under Trump. Literally the only difference is that Obama put in place policy that directed his people to rarely enforce the law and the Trump administration put forth a policy of enforcing the law.

You shed no tears for illegal immigrant families separated by Obama, you saw no propaganda campaigns attacking it, you saw no Time magazine covers blowing it out of proportion....you only see that BS now, at a time when the DNC desperately needs a wedge issue to try and gain back the momentum they've lost the last several months.

Continue to spin in order to defend your propaganda, but the facts are simply against you on this one.

 

And even if true (which I don't believe), then its no excuse for what the Trump administration has been attempting and now trying to back away from

 

There wasn't an outrage under Obama because it was rare when they were separated. They didn't make it a policy to separate them. The outrage came when it was ordered to use it as the standard operating procedure. Separating all the children was Trump's idea and not Obama's.

The difference between Obama's policy and Trump's is that Trump separated thousands in just a couple of months. There isn't going to be a large outrage when something hardly ever happens and when it happens as the standard operating procedure to thousands of children in a short period of time.

 

Ah, so what you are suggesting is that the ONLY thing wrong with the separation of families into what your propaganda has called "concentration camps" and the ONLY thing that makes it "un-American" and "cruel" is the numbers in which it happens? That's pretty impressive mental gymnastics.

Also, you repeat the lie about "separating children was Trump's idea" when it has been spelled out to you many times about how that policy was put into law in 1997....so yeah, it's not Obama's policy, but it's also not Trump's policy....it was Clinton's policy. Sorry guy, you can repeat the lie all you want, it won't change the facts.

 

Nope, not what I'm suggesting. If it is done only to make sure the adults are the actual guardians and then the separation ends, then it isn't a real problem. It isn't cruel or un-American. There is a benefit to doing it under those circumstances like the Obama administration did. It would actually protect the children.

But yes, numbers also make a difference. If one person has a horrible disease, it's sad. If thousands get the disease in a short period of time, it rises to crisis level.

What makes it cruel or Un-American is making it the standard operating procedure so that it is done where there is no benefit to doing it.

Doing that was Trump's idea. No other administration did it that way. You calling that a lie is laughable.
Here are numerous articles which prove the point. You will, of course, ignore them, misrepresent them, or fail to understand them. But they are there any way in case you decide that this is the day you will be influenced by actual facts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/us/fact-check-trump-child-separation.html
http://abc7news.com/politics/obama-didnt-separate-90000-migrant-families/3637564/
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

 

Ah, so when you put people in cruel, un-American concentration camps separated from their families in small numbers when you prosecute the parents for criminal activity or when you are trying to make sure that they are their real parents, it's fine.

When you do the same thing only you enforce the law more often, then it's a problem. Glad you could be here to unpack that for us.

I mean, you can't get past the fact that previous administrations separated families EXACTLY the same as was done today when the parents were being prosecuted....they did so because the law stated that they had to. Obama tried to change that in 2014, and it was struck down by the courts.

No matter how much propaganda and spin you post, there's nothing you can do to change that fact....especially when in many of the articles you link to they acknowledge that families were separated in the past while their parents were prosecuted.

What you have to figure out is how to feign moral outrage about what is done to day while defending the exact same thing in the past. I'll leave those mental gymnastics to you.

As to the last part "There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018."

This is an intellectually dishonest statement, what it means is that there is no federal law mandating that you enforce the law. There is however laws that require families to be separated when you prosecute the parents.

I say it's intellectually dishonest in that the person who said it knew better, it's not intellectually dishonest for you because I fully believe you just don't know any better. You are their target audience.

 

Since he is obviously pulling this out of his ass, I strongly suggest that you do not go there.

 

Stupid right wing talking points are ... get this ... stupid.

MojoMan and BtG are just trolling the non-right-wingnuts here (I am giving them the benefit of doubt) ... or they are intellectually challenged.

 

I figured this would be your response.

 

You should have, it's always going to come back to reality, no matter what BS spin or half truth you throw out there. You'll never change the facts which are that no one thought that separating families during prosecution, something that has gone on for 21 years with illegal immigrants, was cruel or immoral until the DNC came out with propaganda telling you to think that and telling you to ignore the past.

If you want to make the case that it is immoral or cruel, you have to be consistent about it. You can't say that doing so now is reminiscent of death camps in Nazi Germany but it was no big deal when it was done in the past since prosecutions happened less frequently. The law was the same, the procedure when it comes to how to deal with children of parents being prosecuted was the same.

I'm hoping that you are a reasonable enough person and that at some point you'll get how you are being played.

 

Wait you really don't believe that families were separated under the Obama administration? Do you also not believe these kids were physically and emotionally abused in the Obama tender age shelters, and some were turned over to human traffickers?

 

They didn't give a **** 8 years ago, just like they really don't give a **** now. They see it has a potential for political capital. If they really did give a ****, they would be calling on Congress(both sides) to fix the laws, and condemn the Democrats for refusing to take a seat at the table completely.

They will never admit they are getting played, as that would take a modicum amount of self-reflection, which liberals by and large don't have the ability to do. They do have the ability to create r****ded kobayashi marus and try to hold those they disagree with to them.

 

A little from column A and a little from column B.

 

I happen to agree that this whole issue is nothing more than a cynical attempt by the DNC to create a wedge issue to run on and rally parts of their base that will eat this propaganda up without even a halfway critical thought about it.

 

In the words of Dotard-in-Chief employee Peter Navarro, "There's a special place in hell for people who repeatedly defend this incompetent morally bankrupt administration."