James Harden is gonna get screwed over again in MVP Voting

Westbrook passed up this shot as well in order to hunt for an assist

 

I won't blame him for this. He is 2-12 from downtown for the night, and FGA 25 for only 23 points. I believe that passing the ball to others is a better option for him in this case.

 

Nah man, the assist hunting was too blatant. He was WIDE OPEN. Since when did Westbrook start caring about his FG% or how many shots he's missed? Westbrook has had games this season where he's gone 17-44 from the floor and it didn't bother him at all. That's 27 missed shots in 1 game. Now he cares that he's not making shots?

 

You must not have watched the game...

 

Well I for one absolutely loved what the Suns did...... not only showing up a stat padder but it also contributed to winning. Great strategy.... Westbrook comprised winning in order to get the stats....

Fouling whoever he passes the ball to.... brilliant!!!!!

8 turnovers and a loos to the suns ha

 

The triple double is an INDIVIDUAL performance , the MVP is a combination of Stats And team success...The media suddenly have disregarded that all together just to be "right"...its down right insulting, and i really feel sorry for james because i want him to get the monkey off his back, as much as i know Chips is the main goal, i think getting the mvp will make him a better player.

In 2014 When curry won the MVP harden averaged 4 more points AND 2 more rebounds a game then steph but steph won because his TEAM had the best record in the NBA....Houston had the 3rd best record in the NBA but that didnt matter.
And they told james sorry you lost MVP because Curry was ahead of you in the Standings by 2 spots in the NBA and 1 Spot in the West eventhough you averaged 4 more points and 2 more rebounds per game. (Steph did have the percentages advantage across the board)

Now Fast Forward 2 years. The NBA is gonna tell James sorry you lost MVP because Russell is averaging 2 more rebounds per game even though you are ahead of him by 7 spots in the NBA and 3 spots in the West. (James has the percentages advantages across the board)

If you dont want to do the math ill make it easier for you:
2014: Harden:+4Pts +2Rebounds -2NBA Standings -1 Conf. Standings

2016: Westbrook: +2 Pts +2Rebounds -1Assist -7NBA Satndings -3 Conf Standings

How in the world can you justify giving russ MVP?? I mean you cant just choose what to value more in any given year. Just because it is called a triple double? The Stats stay the same no matter what you call the accomplishment. If RW wins MVP it will be the biggest robbery in MVP history because your changing the criteria of what wins MVP, and whats worse is you are changing it because their team is padding westbrooks rebound #s that has 0 impact in the game, if you want a stat that impacts the game how about mentioning that harden is gonna account for the most PPG in NBA HISTORY!! ....absolutely disgusting media conspiracy. Rachel Nichols who has a vote actually said he saved the CITY of Oklahoma hahahaha...when he really was the reason durant left.

 

Plus, it was just not Westbrooke's night and the Suns decided not to tank. If Harden had an off night and lost, it would hurt his chances for sure.
Also, everyone wants to see him get 42 triple doubles.

 

Clicked on this thread way too early..

 

It was incredibly sad to watch that game as a fan who enjoys watching Westbrook and appreciates his great season. It really was blatant assist chasing. He shouldn't even have been out there in the 4th quarter. If it was a close game and he stat-chased a little, it's not as bad. But down by 20+ and with all the starters having a crappy night, it should have been garbage minutes. Then the obvious passing up wide open shots made it worse... He should've sat with the 8 assists and said, "Oh well, try again next game..." This game made him look pretty bad. Check out reddit on NBA, everyone is bashing him.

A lot of people seemed pissed at the Suns but honestly, Westbrook's teammates cost him the triple double. Adams and Kanter missed like ~5 wide open shots in the paint that would have been assisted by Westbrook. He'll still probably end up with the record. Denver is playing for their playoff lives so they will play ball, no fouling Westbrook to stop him from getting triple doubles.

Even with the loss, Harden came out ahead tonight and stopped the Westbrook momentum. Yea, yea, MVP isn't supposed to be about a single game but the reality is the latter part of the season matters more. Bill Simmons said it on his podcast, he hates it but he may have to give it to Westbrook now even though he had Harden all season. He said he can't decide until the last game. I'm sure other voters are the same.

 

This often repeated and silly argument assumes that the MVP was awarded to Steph Curry two years ago because of a calculation based on conference standing, PPG, RPG, and APG. Maybe voters were considering that GSW had one of the 10 best seasons in league history, winning 16 more games than in the previous year and had become the favorite to win the championship, and weren't simply looking at 1 seed is one spot higher than the 2 seed.

Harden's MVP case is hurt by the fact that the Rockets are a distant third in the standings and (if we're being honest) have a slim chance of winning a championship. So in terms of team potential to a championship there really isn't much distance between the Rockets and the Thunder. That's why voters don't put as much stock in the Rockets being 3 seeds higher than the Thunder. If the Rockets won 60 games and looked like a legit contender, I guarantee it would be different.

 

I don't believe that for a second.

 

It does not matter what Westbrook did against the Suns. He is averaging a triple double. That's all he needs to win the award.

 

While this is probably true, the point of the previous post wasnt to show the difference in Stats between the two seasons it was to show how much the media is disregarding WINNING.

We have already won 12 more games then last year after losing a Star....OKC have been worse, much worse and i know its KD but still thats the fact.
Just like Russell, James is doing it without an all star on his team but they discredit the rockets accomplishments because we have better shooters. While that is true , they have better defenders, better rebounders....just because we have better shooters doesent mean we have to win more games.
So when you put all those things that james has done better then RW ...8 more wins ,much better improvement from the previous year, better effeciency#s across the board.....how can you deny him MVP because the other candidate only has 2 rebounds per game on him statistically. How can you justify that?
The rockets have a better record then the Cavs and they play in the east...Lebron Kyrie and Love..that was UNTHINKABLE.
Lets not take anything away from RW a triple double is no joke....but when you put his numbers vs hardens he only accounts for 2 more rebounds per game folks lol who gives a **** about the 2 rebounds he gets from missed fts each game. Thats the ONLY argument RW supporters have. He is averaging a triple double which = 2 more RPG period.

 

biggest historic fraud OF ALL TIME!!!

 

Time to read SI?

 

OKC Announcers take shot at Suns for denying WB's triple double:

 

One can make a case that Westbrook's season, on an individual stats level, is more impressive than Harden's without even invoking the triple doubles.

PER: Westbrook 30.5, Harden 27.3. Westbrook's 30.5 PER is 16th highest all time among players who've played at least 2000 minutes in a season. Harden's 27.3 is 77th all time.

BPM: Westbrook 15.4, Harden 10.1. Westbrook's 15.4 BPM is 1st all time among players who've played at least 2000 minutes in a season. Harden's 10.1 is 18th all time.

VORP: Westbrook 12.0, Harden 8.7. Westbrook's 12.0 VORP is 1st all time among players who've played at least 2000 minutes in a season. Harden's 8.7 is 29th all time.

As for points, rebounds, and assists -- you're right, people shouldn't be focused on per game stats and whether they happen to reach double digits. I'd argue that Westbrook's "numbers" are more impressive, not because of the triple double aspect, but because of how prolific they are when viewed as rates.

Here's what I think is more interesting to look at rather than simply "per game" numbers:

Points%: What percentage of the total points scored when the player was on the floor (by both teams) did the player score?

Rebounds%: What percentage of the total rebounds grabbed when the player was on the floor (by both teams) did the player grab?

Assist%: What percentage of his team's field goals did the the player assist on?

Here's the breakdown for Westbrook vs Harden:

Westbrook:
points%: 20.1%
rebounds%: 16.6%
assist%: 54.3%

Harden:
points%: 17.1%
rebounds%: 12.3%
assist%: 51.3%

That's a fairly significant difference. People just dismiss the comparison as: "Westbrook is merely averaging a couple more rebounds a game, and otherwise its a wash as far a points, rebounds, assists." Not true.

Of course, none of the above means that Westbrook absolutely should win MVP over Harden. Harden also has a good case, depending on the criteria one wants to use. There's no right answer to who should be the MVP. I just wish people would give this whole "If Westbrook wins MVP over Harden, that means Harden got screwed" stuff a rest.

 

Probably been mentioned but Olajuwon was screwed out of the MVP award in 1993. Guy puts up 26 points, 13 rebounds, and 4 blocks a game and finishes second in voting to Chuckles out in Phoenix.

It's a shame and blight on the league that Curry, Nash, Barkley, Robinson, Nowitzki, and Rose have as many or more MVP awards than Olajuwon.

 

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