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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Brando2101, Jun 13, 2016.

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Buck Turgidson said: ↑

That's a bold stand.

I hope you realize I was making a joke earlier, but I'm serious about the Pitino google (although to be fair, there were Billy Gillespie and Baylor articles mixed in)
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Seemed like a joke at my expense. I apologize for getting hot. It's a difficult situation. As someone who is a Christian and thinks Baylor should be held to a more stringent standard, I'm more than a little irritated by the whole situation. A lot of my anger is not with users on Clutchfans but rather in some interactions with other Baylor alumni who think this situation is not a big deal at all.

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Seemed like a joke at my expense. I apologize for getting hot. It's a difficult situation. As someone who is a Christian and thinks Baylor should be held to a more stringent standard, I'm more than a little irritated by the whole situation. A lot of my anger is not with users on Clutchfans but rather in some interactions with other Baylor alumni who think this situation is not a big deal at all.
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I get it, I know Baylor people (but not a one has tried to defend or downplay this) and am a fan tangentially, but I expected more out of that institution. It's disgusting and embarrassing, honestly.

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This may only be the beginning of Baylor's self-inflicted death penalt

Stidham transfer shows no need for NCAA penalty

Why the Big 12 is pressing Baylor for info from its sexual assault investigation

What transpired at Baylor, both before and after the university released some findings from an investigation, caused serious concern among some Big 12 presidents about potential NCAA violations and how deep the scandal goes, according to three conference sources who requested anonymity to speak on the matter.
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Some Big 12 presidents are concerned Baylor's governance problems may go all the way up to a minority number of its board members, but they believe interim president David Garland wants to clean up the university and is receptive to the Big 12's help, according to sources.
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In an interview this week, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said he has had a couple conversations with Baylor about the Big 12's efforts to obtain information and the university has "responded appropriately given the circumstance." Bowlsby cautioned that the Big 12 is "very early" in a process that will likely take a while.

"They have indicated they'll be as forthcoming as they possibly can, realizing there are pending legal issues for them," Bowlsby said. "I'm sure that will mitigate some of what they can disclose."
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In a statement provided by Baylor spokeswoman Tonya Lewis, the university said Garland met with Bowlsby and is continuing discussions with the Big 12 for additional information.

"Dr. Garland did reiterate that the Findings of Fact is the complete report and fully reflects the themes, core findings and failings identified in the investigation -- while omitting the documentation of individual cases and names supporting these findings," Baylor said in the statement. "Baylor's board of regents chose to publicly release severely critical Findings of Fact because it believes it is in the best interest of the Baylor community to do so, regardless of the impact on current or potential civil litigation or regulatory action."
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Baylor's history of scandals has many Big 12 schools wondering what, if any, NCAA violations the university committed by covering up sexual assaults, sources said.
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There are questions within the Big 12 about whether its schools have been disadvantaged in the past, and perhaps still to this day, if Baylor violated NCAA rules. Baylor said it voluntarily contacted the NCAA.
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The Big 12 is trying to walk a fine line over what information it can receive from Baylor, a private university that has said there is no written report from Pepper Hamilton to produce. That answer has been met with skepticism by some Big 12 schools, who believe no written report exists only if a university requests that no written report exists, sources said.
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The Big 12's bylaws allow for a member to be sanctioned by a supermajority vote from the conference's board of directors. Among the reasons the Big 12 could penalize a school is if it violates any conference rules or "engaged in any action or a course of conduct materially adverse to the best interests of the Conference taken as a whole." The bylaws list examples of penalties, such as restrictions on postseason events, TV appearances, revenue distributions, and scholarships.

When asked if the Big 12 might sanction Baylor, Bowlsby replied, "I'm not going to speculate on that. It's too early in the process to begin drawing conclusions or define the landscape. Besides that, it's the board's responsibility and prerogative on that."
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#143 J.R., Jul 8, 2016
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J.R. said: ↑

This may only be the beginning of Baylor's self-inflicted death penalt

Stidham transfer shows no need for NCAA penalty

Why the Big 12 is pressing Baylor for info from its sexual assault investigation
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This is a bit dramatic.

#144 Brando2101, Jul 8, 2016
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Current Virginia Tech Athletic Director Whit Babcock rumored to be leading candidate to becomes Baylor's new AD

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Ex-Baylor star Shawn Oakman indicted for sexual assault

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Report: Baylor Coerced Rape Victims Into Silence By Threatening To Punish Them For Drinking
http://deadspin.com/report-baylor-c...ource=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Baylor rape victims say the university told women who attempted to report their assaults that their parents would be informed of their alcohol or drug use under the student conduct code and in some circumstances were themselves charged with code violations, according to the Associated Press

Baylor’s student code banned dancing until 1996 and only last year removed “fornication,” “adultery,” and “homosexual acts” from its official list of misconduct. Victims say Baylor even punished women who tried to report assaults that happened to other victims:

One woman said her case began when she called police to report a physical assault on another woman at an off-campus party. Police demanded to know if she was underage and had been drinking, then arrested and reported her to the school office that investigates conduct code violations, she said. She told Baylor officials her drinking was a result of being raped a month earlier and detailed what happened in person and in a letter.

She received an alcohol code violation and told to do 25 hours community service, and when she tried to appeal, the woman said Baylor officials urged her to drop it. The school never pursued her rape claim.

“I was told by many Baylor staff that they couldn’t do anything for me because my assault was off campus, yet they had no problem punishing me for my off-campus drinking,” the woman said.
Universities are required by federal law to investigate sexual assaults, whether they happen on- or off-campus, and feds informed Baylor in 2011 that its conduct policy may have a chilling effect on sexual assault reporting. Being caught drinking alcohol is cause for expulsion under Baylor’s student conduct policy.

Pepper Hamilton’s report cited the policy as “creating barriers” to victims reporting their assaults, due both to fears of being punished and those of parental informing.
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Wow...

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Duncan McDonuts said: ↑

Report: Baylor Coerced Rape Victims Into Silence By Threatening To Punish Them For Drinking

Wow...
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The hypocrisy of religious institutions never surprises me.

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Report: Baylor Coerced Rape Victims Into Silence By Threatening To Punish Them For Drinking

Wow...
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Scum.

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Yeah.... I don't ever want to hear about how they do it the right way from them again or read releases where administration is relying on their belief in Jesus. They did whatever it took to win football games, literally anything.

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I'm not sure we're even talking about football games and football players, here. This article doesn't even mention football. They appear to have been punishing women reporting any old rape by your average, non-athlete rapist turd. Hard to fathom what bizarre twist of morality would result in such a policy, and what exactly they thought they were accomplishing by doing it.

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This remains me of the story of the Good Samaritan. Where the guy is on the road, beaten up and hurt...and the "religious" leaders walk right by and/or judge him....instead of helping him. And then the Samaritan comes along and takes care of the man...pays for him to be cared for out of his own pocket.

I grew up in the Episcopal church, and went to Baylor. I met some amazing people when I was at Baylor who have gone on to make the world a better place. That said, I have theological viewpoints different from what the university holds in some respects...but a theology that finds itself more concerned with punishing a student for drinking than for helping her through a crisis is bankrupt to me.

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Just when you thought everything was settled...

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Baylor player arrested Monday faced prior sexual assault claim

Baylor offensive lineman Rami Hammad -- arrested on felony stalking charges Monday -- was accused last fall of sexually assaulting a student and violating a university-issued no-contact order after confronting the woman, Outside the Lines has learned.

Hammad is facing felony stalking charges after his former girlfriend reported several instances from March to July in which he tracked her down, harassed her and twice physically assaulted her, including once at Baylor's athletic facilities on campus.

Last fall, a different woman reported to Baylor's Title IX office that she had been sexually assaulted by Hammad. After Hammad confronted the woman about why he was under investigation by the Title IX office, she requested a no-contact order from the university, according to documents reviewed by Outside the Lines. She received it, but three days later, Hammad allegedly confronted her again. She and two witnesses reported that confrontation to police, but she declined to press charges, believing the Title IX office would pursue the matter, she told Outside the Lines.

She additionally told Outside the Lines she was shocked and disappointed that Hammad was allowed to play in Baylor's game against Texas Tech a few days later and the remainder of the season. She said hearing of the felony charges from Monday was "very disheartening."

"This is all Baylor's fault," she said. "Had they taken my case slightly more seriously and put some kind of 'warning' on him, this wouldn't have happened. ... The mannerisms that she described are so similar. It's not just something I wanted to remember."

When reached by phone Wednesday, Hammad, who was suspended from team activities Tuesday, referred questions to Waco defense attorney Phil Martinez; Martinez said he had yet to meet with Hammad and could not yet comment on either allegation.

Baylor coach Jim Grobe addressed Hammad's suspension at the opening of practice Thursday.

"He's gonna have to straighten things out and I've told our team over and over and over: Guys, there's certain things you get involved involved in, we're gonna turn it over to the right people," Grobe said. "I feel like it's in the right process right now and the right people, people that know how to deal with these things, are dealing with it. We step out of the way. I can handle a lot of things -- I can handle if you miss a class, you sleep through a class, we're late to weight room or you miss a meeting, things like that -- but when we're talking about bad misbehavior, guys, you're on your own. We're going to turn it over to the right people and get out of the way."

Baylor has faced widespread criticism for its handling of reports of sexual assault and violence involving football players. In late May, after the university's board of regents received a presentation from law firm Pepper Hamilton, whom it had hired to review the school's sexual assault response and Title IX practices, the regents announced the demotion of president Ken Starr to chancellor, the suspension with intent to terminate of football coach Art Briles and probation for athletic director Ian McCaw. Within weeks, McCaw resigned, Briles was fired and Starr stepped down from all leadership positions at Baylor but stayed on as a law professor. Two other athletic department officials were fired.

Last month, at Big 12 media days, Grobe sparked outrage when he spoke about the university's recent history: "We don't have a culture of bad behavior at Baylor University. The problems that we're dealing with at Baylor and have dealt with at Baylor, to this point, are problems that are probably at every university in the country."

Grobe later said he was referring to the players on the current roster, not the former players accused of sexual assault and other acts of violence. At the time, Hammad was still on the roster.

A Baylor spokeswoman said this week that Hammad was suspended from team activities when school officials learned of his arrest on Monday. She declined to answer any questions about him.

"Our policy is, we've got a strict athletic department policy which I feel is really the way we have to be," Grobe said Thursday. "When you're charged with a felony, you will not practice, you will not compete in any games until it's cleared up. And then the university makes a decision on suspensions. So the athletic department decision right now is that no practice, no games until you get you get it cleared up. And then the university makes the decision as to whether or not you can stay on the campus."

The woman who reported the incidents last fall to Baylor told Outside the Lines that she met Hammad at a Baylor chapel last September. They agreed to hang out a few days later. When he picked her up, he said he had some laundry to do and drove over to his house. She said he took her into his apartment bedroom, where he forced her into a sexual act.

She said she was stunned but let him take her home. She said she didn't report the incident to the police because she didn't think what happened would mean anything to a police officer because she did not perceive what happened to be rape, and she said she was worried about the repercussions of reporting a football player. It was only when an acquaintance told her she had had a similar encounter with Hammad that she, and that acquaintance, decided to report him to Baylor's Title IX office later that month.

"I thought Title IX was like the school's version of the police," the woman told Outside the Lines.

The acquaintance told Outside the Lines she didn't want to file a separate Title IX report but wanted her assault allegation noted to support the woman. The woman who filed the report said Hammad soon began texting and calling her during a class to find out if she had reported him to the school. Later that day, while walking back to her dorm, she said she heard a car horn honking and saw Hammad get out of his car and run toward her, asking her about a notice from the Title IX office.

She said she and her acquaintance then filed for no-contact orders through Baylor's Title IX office. The woman's order, reviewed by Outside the Lines, was issued Sept. 30, 2015.

On Oct. 2, 2015, the woman was sitting outside Baylor's student union and talking on the phone when she looked up and saw Hammad in front of her, she told Outside the Lines. "I knew he was very aware there was a no-contact order. He said, 'You know it was consensual.'" She said she didn't respond and tried to get up as Hammad started yelling at her.

Two male students behind her noticed and stood up, at which point he walked away. She said she called Baylor police, who interviewed the two witnesses. An officer told her that she could press charges. "I said: 'No, this is not what college is supposed to be. I don't want to press charges,'" she said. "I just thought Title IX would take care of it."

Outside the Lines began investigating the incident in April, requesting the Baylor police report from that incident. Baylor officials declined to release it, stating it was an education record protected under federal student privacy laws. The Texas Attorney General's office upheld Baylor's decision not to release the police report.

The woman in the no-contact incident told Outside the Lines that one of the most disappointing aspects of Baylor's handling of the allegations is that it appears Hammad was never disciplined. The day after the incident near Baylor's student union, she and friends -- including the acquaintance who said Hammad had assaulted her, too -- went to AT&T Stadium in Arlington to watch Baylor play Texas Tech. She said they were shocked to see Hammad on the field.

"We felt we were being betrayed," she said. "It's like they were rewarding him by playing him and starting him in the game. I texted the police officer ... and said: 'Why the hell is he starting? He broke a no-contact order.'" She said the officer apologized but couldn't give her an answer because she had no involvement in those decisions.

"That's when it really hit us that Baylor wasn't doing anything at the time," the acquaintance said, noting that the no-contact order stated that violation could result in suspension or expulsion from the school.

Hammad played in all 13 games that season.

The woman said she ultimately stopped attending Baylor football games and became frustrated with the Title IX process. In late October, she declined to participate in the judicial affairs trial that had been called because of her reports, because she said it would have been too emotionally upsetting to be in close contact with Hammad. She said she was given the option to have her Title IX investigator speak on her behalf, and she agreed to that.

The only communication the woman had with Baylor after the hearing came in a Nov. 12 email from Baylor Chief Judicial Officer Bethany McCraw, the woman told Outside the Lines. The email, reviewed by Outside the Lines, stated the woman needed to start taking a certain exit from a science building to avoid coming in contact with Hammad. It also stated that if the woman needed to access any building on campus where she did not have a scheduled class, or outside of her scheduled class time, that she must email McCraw at least 24 hours ahead of time to get her approval.

"I never got a result from the trial, and now I'm being told how to exit the building as if I'm the one who's being charged?" she said. "I felt like I was being punished and treated like a criminal."

She reached out to Title IX Coordinator Patty Crawford, who was out of the office that day, "and then I emailed every single person who works for Ken Starr listed on his website, and I told them I was disgusted with Baylor." She said no one responded to the email.

She said she called the Title IX office a few days later and complained about the email from McCraw to the person who answered the phone -- whose name she did not recall -- and also asked about the trial. She said she was told, "We can't disclose what happened at the trial to you."

"At that point, I was done," the woman said. "I said: 'You've ruined my first semester of college ... Please don't contact me again. This has been the worst experience of my life.'"

A Baylor spokeswoman said in an email Thursday that any determination of a Title IX procedure is communicated to both parties, and all parties have the right to appeal. "Both parties in every case have equal rights and have access to the same investigative reports and case-related information, including the outcomes, rationale, and if applicable, sanction/s, appeal information, and appeal outcomes."

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Should have stayed at Texas.

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I don't know. Seems like he fit in pretty well at Baylor.

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It won't happen, but it is getting to the point where they should just take the football program away.

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It won't happen, but it is getting to the point where they should just take the football program away.
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Don't watch when they're on. Problem solved if Baylor football bothers you so much.

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I'm curious as to if any assistant coach knew about this and did not bring it up to officials during the investigation. It seems like they would have though.

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Don't watch when they're on. Problem solved if Baylor football bothers you so much.
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Your advice is that if someone is bothered so much by this situation then they should just look the other way? Probably not the best advice in this particular discussion.

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