i compared Klay's current year, which is his 5th through the NBA and Kmart's 5th year, this is pretty reasonable? And year Klay averages less minutes but has more FGA
Thompson puts up those numbers on the best team in the league and he plays defense. Martin is the classic stat stuffer on a mediocre team. Martin is also hurt all the time.
I don't think Kevin was bad at all But klay is a career 42% 3pt shooter and Kmart is 39 Also klay plays better defense
Martin wasn't bad, just a bit overrated due to scoring 20+ PPG, which is a bit of a "magical number" in basketball, like hitting .300 or 30 homers is in baseball...reaching that threshold tends to change perceptions. Martin was a very poor defender and he didn't score at a high enough efficiency to make his 20-24 PPG a big deal. They weren't "empty numbers," but he wasn't a game-changing scorer. A merely okay volume scorer with poor defense can still be an asset, given sufficient talent around him, but isn't anywhere near a star or even a top supporting player.
Kevin Martin is way better than Thompson. KMart averaged over 25 points one season. Thompson will never come close to average 25 points in one season. And Kmart played in an era where people played defense, not this crap era where everyone is shooting 3's and everyone play defense like James Harden
Klay Thompson also suck because he's a nerd. He and the Warriors went to Harry Potter land on their day off. NERDS!!! http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/warriors-klay-thompson-harrison-barnes-leandro-barbosa-harry-potter-world-video-magical Harden and the boys go to strip club. That's why we're SWAG CHAMP NERDS BELOW
Martin wasn't efficient? He shot a ton of freethrows so you need to account for those. In the season referenced in this thread Martin's ts% was .601. That is elite efficiency. Thompson has never posted a ts% that high. There's lots to criticize about Martin's game but claiming that he was a volume scorer is ridiculous. In his prime, Martin was the poster boy for efficiency.
He was fool's gold the original in Houston so? He was better in Sactown, I have no problem with that statement. Just a frustrating player to watch, never made Allstar team but was close because he lacked other stats than scoring points. His tally of assists, rebounds, steals were not great.
Better comparison would be Kevin Martin or the one and only Jason Richardson? JRich was pretty good as well, but he wasn't a complete player. Something was missing.
And you're ignoring every other point. Kmart sucks. Klay is on one of the best teams of all time. End-o-story.
Kmart was a beast, in his own way. The discussion of comparing him to Klay seems a bit odd, based on the different styles of play, but I guess we're just taking a topical approach. Each guy is capable of getting 20 a game without much of an issue, but the way Kevin plays the game versus how Klay plays, to me, is difficult to compare. Klay is your traditional spot up, pure shooter, and yes, I do realize he can score off of the dribble, too. Kevin is all about angles, freeing himself up without the ball for a shot, or as we know, looking to create contact/chaos to get to the line. I think Klay avoids looking to be fouled, in comparison. Either way, KMart gave us 23.5ppg during a season with us. No matter who you are, those are great numbers. Even when he was in SacTown, the guy was one of the top scorers in the league. People can hate on his form all day, but he simply got the job done. The infinite ways in which he got to the free throw line were amazing. If you want to give credit to James for his ability to get to the line, you have to acknowledge the work KMart has done his ENTIRE CAREER to be an efficient offensive player through being a league leader in FTs attempted, but also through his general skill set. KMart really was a great shooter, even with his unorthodox form. People forget how quick his first step was, how he moved without the ball to get himself open for a quick shot in the paint and how he was one of the masters at baiting guys to put their hands just slightly above his wrist, and then elevating to force a shooting foul. Even more, when he was able to get the "Harden-esque" shooting foul, KMart was great at leaning in towards the basket and using the backboard to get the and-one. Most players STILL don't use the backboard, and it's one of the more effective ways of shooting through a foul. Timmy says hello. Klay MAY have the better numbers at the end of his career, but again, these are weird players to compare, IMO. They're so different. The only thing they have in common is on the box score, so if you were a casual fan who didn't watch/analyze players, you could also compare KMart to Dame Lillard, simply based on points per game. He's a 20+ ppg guard at this juncture in his career. It just doesn't feel right to compare certain guys. How about a comparison of one of my favorite guards and former Warrior, Monta Ellis? Although different, I see more of a comparison between Klay and Monta's numbers, but also based off of how they scored in bunches. Klay is considered the better defender, but Monta was quick, sneaky and played the passing lanes well.
Monta is in the mix but would rather suit as a comparison to Kev Martin than Klay. That GSW team will make Klay an Allstar for several years down the road.
Klay is way better. Klay: NBA champion (2015) 2× NBA All-Star (2015, 2016) All-NBA Third Team (2015) NBA Three-Point Contest champion (2016) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012) 2× First-team All-Pac-10 (2010, 2011) Kevin: 2x First-team All-SoCon (2003, 2004) Second-team All-SoCon (2002) SoCon All-Freshman Team (2002)
Kevin Martin's great "one dimension" is shooting. James Harden's great "one dimension" is every possible offensive skill.
To be fair, KMarts prime years was stacked at SG while it is arguably the weakest position in the league today with C.
It is interesting that Martin's best eFG by far came when he played for a very good OKC team. Shows how being on a good team can inflate efficiency.
could be but klay at least attempts to pretend to play D and doesn't break down. Martin was a morley wet dream with his 3pt shooting and ability to get freebies, could also move without the ball like mudder'. But one day, the zebras just stopped blowing their whistles..the end.
