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  1. Hammer755

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    I like Giles, but his numbers were down across the board from his rookie year. Still a great season in 2015, but there is typically more variability in reliever performance year on year than any other position - it's one of the reasons that Moneyball teams don't typically pay for closers (even the really good ones are usually way overvalued on the market).

    As much as I like Giles' arm, it may be nerve-racking to watch a guy in the ninth inning who walks 3+ batters per 9 IP ... even if he does strike out 3 times that.
     
    #161 Hammer755, Dec 12, 2015
  2. tellitlikeitis

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Astros get Ken Giles &amp; SS Jonathan Arauz from Phillies in exchange for RHPs Mark Appel, Harold Arauz, Eshelman, Velasquez and Obie .</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart ⚾️ (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/675738717277978624">December 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    Jonathan Arauz made his professional debut in the Gulf Coast League this season. I believe that he signed for around $600K in the previous IFA signing period.

    <script type="text/javascript" src="http://widgets.sports-reference.com/wg.fcgi?css=1&site=br&url=%2Fregister%2Fplayer.cgi%3Fid%3Darauz-000jon&div=div_standard_batting"></script>
     
    #162 tellitlikeitis, Dec 12, 2015
  3. Marteen

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Astros get Ken Giles &amp; SS Jonathan Arauz from Phillies in exchange for RHPs Mark Appel, Harold Arauz, Eshelman, Velasquez and Obie .</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart ⚾️ (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/675738717277978624">December 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    Mark Appel??? I didn't know this.
     
    #163 Marteen, Dec 12, 2015
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    oh wtf!
     
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  5. RasaqBoi

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    Horrible. Adding Appel.
     
    #165 RasaqBoi, Dec 12, 2015
  6. cardpire

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    and subtracting fisher.

    i'm still in shock though.
     
    #166 cardpire, Dec 12, 2015
  7. bigtexxx

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    Whaaaa? Appel instead of fisher? And we exchange Arauz players?
     
    #167 bigtexxx, Dec 12, 2015
  8. tellitlikeitis

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    Here's a writeup on Jonathan Arauz from last year on Baseball America ($):

     
    #168 tellitlikeitis, Dec 12, 2015
  9. sealclubber1016

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    WTF

    Holy crap this trade got expensive. Arauz is extremely young, and doesn't appear to be a big prospect at the moment. We'll have to see what he does long term, but this trade is looking a lot more risky now than it was the day it was announced.

    Even with his struggles losing Appel hurts, but we do keep Fisher.
     
    #169 sealclubber1016, Dec 12, 2015
  10. Marteen

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    Although, I did hear Appel wasn't doing as well as people hoped. Maybe they didn't like the outlook for him.
     
    #170 Marteen, Dec 12, 2015
  11. tellitlikeitis

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    The last 3 #1 overall picks are no longer with their original organizations.

    With Appel gone, who's going to be the new Jeremy Lin of the system?
     
    #171 tellitlikeitis, Dec 12, 2015
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    We got fleeced. I'm disappointed.
     
    #172 J Sizzle, Dec 12, 2015
  13. RasaqBoi

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    Luhnow gave up a lot for a closer who's not that experienced. Imagine if we went after an actual big name, I think Springer would have been dealt.
     
    #173 RasaqBoi, Dec 12, 2015
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    As a guy who does a pretty god job keeping up with our prospects I had never heard of Harold Arauz. Is that a common name in Panama?
     
    #174 sealclubber1016, Dec 12, 2015
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    Maybe they are about to sign kazmir? This seems like a risky, unnecessary move. Gregerson was a solid closer, I wouldn't have qualified the closer role as the most pressing. Other arms were out there for bullpen hope. Do not get the addition of Appel?
     
    #175 CisBuds4U, Dec 12, 2015
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    We gave too much, not a good deal
     
    #176 cangrejero51, Dec 12, 2015
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    Not sure, but pretty sure that it was just confirmed 10 minutes ago that all the hate was justified.
     
    #177 cardpire, Dec 12, 2015
  18. tellitlikeitis

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    Signed for $300K in 2011, had success in Greeneville and the complex leagues, but his stint in Tri-City last year was the first speed bump of his career. He didn't have terrible peripherals, but he did get hit hard.

    I don't believe that Jonathan and Harold are related.
     
    #178 tellitlikeitis, Dec 12, 2015
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    Kind of surprised. Maybe Appel ends up being like Grienke or Arrieta or maybe he ends up sucking.
     
    #179 Air Langhi, Dec 12, 2015
  20. tellitlikeitis

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    Rephrased it.
     
    #180 tellitlikeitis, Dec 12, 2015
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