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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 12, 2008.

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  1. basso

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    oddly, i missed this when they marched past my apartment...

    wonder, who's tolerant now?

    bienvenue, le Thugocracy...
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Funny thing is the people reacting are just pedestrians on the street.

    No wonder McCain is doing terrible with independents.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    "just as they have been taught to do..." Oh good lord. Of course partisan rancor is strong in US America. Hold the PHONES! People are angry on all sides.

    I rarely post the following, but this carefully edited, waaahhh-bulance-worthy, self-pittying trash deserves the first one in all my posts of the last two years: (drum roll...)
    :rolleyes:
    That's for all the hundreds if not thousands of minutes with no crowd reaction that are on the cutting room hard disk trash bin.

    Seriously, basso, please recall that one post where you sat and typed your own sincere thoughts. Everyone appreciated it and it started an interesting discussion, with no bashing anywhere. It was like four decent paragraphs of your own thoughts about the candidates and the election and the country.

    I just think you get sucked in by really terrible, divisive weblinks or "videos," and when you post one as your primary substance, with a little cutesy quip at the end, it's a bridge to nowhere, or worse.

    "Thanks but no thanks!"
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    How big of a baby are you?

    The evil liberals said awful things in that video like "Wake Up!"

    How dare they!

    Of course the video then started in saying Islamic terrorists would be more welcome on the west side than American patriots.

    Yet the video was the one saying that liberals didn't follow the idea of unity?

    Of course there was the usual diatribe against PHD's and intellectuals. An education must be an awful thing to McCain supporters. That's what I learned from the video clip.

    At the McCain and GOP rallies we see racism, shouts of terrorist, "bomb Obama", and in this rally the anti-McCain crowd says "Wake Up!" and you are going to cry about it, but still haven't denounced the bigots who issue violent threats at the GOP and McCain/Palin events.

    Very telling.

    I hope you don't run into any intellectuals or folks with PHD's basso. After watching the video I would worry about your safety if you did.
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I know. I'm thinking that was the whole point of the rally. Let's be as self-pittying, self-righteous and divisive as possible. Oh boy!

    Of all the ways the GOP wants to split the country: rural versus urban, gay versus straight... what good does it do our nation to turn against education? Where does that get us? Okay, I'm biased. I teach. I have a lot of education under my belt. But can we compete in the world if we reject using our brains? It completely baffles me.

    These kinds of videos really fire me up to volunteer more time to the Obama campaign. I just went through and compared the science advisors named by Obama and McCain. The two lists are startling, and perhaps worthy or their own thread. But it just reinforces the "ideas" contained in this "video."
     
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    You should post them.

    Of course you may have to explain their significance to people like myself who may be ignorant of the significance of them, but after this last administration's record on science, it is of interest.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Basso is mad because I posted the "Sidewalk to Nowhere" vid in one of his threads.

    So he had to retaliate.

    poor little basso.

    :)
     
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  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Well, what's startling is that Obama has named five scientists who helped him form a science platform, and as of late September, the McCain campaign would not provide such a list.

    I've read on some blogs that he named Carly Fiorino (sp) of HP as his science advisor, but I can find no verification. (I hope that is a joke.)

    Obama's team, as given to WIRED magazine:

    Harold Varmus: President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. He won a Nobel Prize in 1989 for breakthroughs in cancer genetics. Under Clinton, he directed the National Institutes of Health; the agency's budget doubled, but his legacy was tainted by his permitting NIH researchers to take excessive payments from pharmaceutical companies. A champion of open-access research, Varmus co-founded the Public Library of Science. He chairs the scientific board of Grand Challenges in Global Health, launched by the Gates Foundation and NIH to improve health in the developing world. Varmus was an advisor to the now-defunct Campaign to Defend the Constitution, launched to combat the political influence of the religious right. His political contributions and a list of industry ties are available.

    Gilbert Omenn: Professor of internal medicine, human genetics and public health at the University of Michigan. Former president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science; during his tenure he denounced anti-evolution education laws, and has been a vocal critic of creationism. “The logic that convinces us that evolution is a fact is the same logic we use to say smoking is hazardous to your health or we have serious energy policy issues because of global warming,” he told reporters this year. “I would worry that a president who didn’t believe in the evolution arguments wouldn’t believe in those other arguments either. This is a way of leading our country to ruin.” Omenn is a director of Amgen, a biotechnology company, and served in the Office of Science and Technology Policy under President Carter. His campaign contributions and a list of industry ties are available.

    Peter Agre: Director of the Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute. After winning a Nobel Prize in 2003 for discovering proteins that move water through cell membranes, he pledged to use the prize money to defend scientific freedom from the restrictions of the war on terror. He has been sharply critical of President Bush's climate change policies. "The Bush administration has been a disaster for the environment," he said in 2004. "If we wait until there's unequivocal proof that this is the cause of global climate change, it will be too late." Agre helped found Scientists and Engineers for America, a non-partisan science advocacy group. An advocate of increased government investment in science, he wants more scientists to run for public office. He has appeared twice on The Colbert Report.

    Don Lamb: A University of Chicago astrophysicist and expert in stellar evolution, Lamb helped found the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, which has been described as "the most ambitious astronomical survey ever undertaken," and recorded the most distant explosion ever. A Mission Scientist on NASA's High-Energy Transient Explorer, he has fought to maintain NASA's research budget. "Science at NASA is disappearing — fast," he told the New York Times in 2006. Lamb has also argued against the privatization of commercial space flight. ''Space exploration,'' he told the Times, ''particularly manned space exploration, is just too expensive and risky to attract private enterprise, especially venture capitalists."

    Sharon Long: Recently stepped down as dean of Stanford University's School of Humanities & Science to return to her research on the symbiosis of soil bacteria with alfalfa. Long resigned last year from the Board of Directors of Monsanto, an agricultural biotechnology corporation. A former MacArthur Fellow, Long is a member of the leadership council of the National Academy of Sciences. She has contributed to the campaigns of both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    basso, you can thank me later for derailing this particular thread. ;)
     
  10. basso

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    more hate from the left;

    [rquoter]Vandals strike York County GOP headquarters
    By Matt Garfield · The Herald
    Updated 10/11/08 - 5:28 PM |
    Vandals spray-painted the words “Republican means slavery” on the door of the York County GOP campaign headquarters overnight Friday.
    Party volunteers called police after discovering the message when they arrived at the office on Rock Hill’s Oakland Avenue. The vandals also stole about 45 candidate signs from the front yard and spray-painted over a banner that carried a picture of Republican presidential nominee John McCain. Their messages included lettering and symbols sometimes used by gangs.

    The culprits could face charges on petty larceny and damage to property, said Rock Hill police Sgt. Roderick Stinson. No one appears to have entered the office.

    Whether it was teenagers playing a prank or adults looking to make a political statement, the nature of the message reflected racially charged hostilities that have flared around the country in recent days. Democrat Barack Obama is the first African-American to win a major party’s presidential nomination.

    At McCain rallies last week, some spectators were heard yelling comments about Obama such as “kill him” and “off with his head.” At an event in Florida, a racial insult was directed at a black television cameraman.

    McCain sought to quell such rhetoric Friday, saying Obama is a “decent person" and a “family man” who shouldn’t be feared as a potential president.

    In York County, Republican leader Glenn McCall is among the first African-American to chair a county party in South Carolina. He’s also one of two black representatives on the 100-member Republican National Committee.

    McCall said he believes the vandals were trying to influence voters at a time when polls show a tight contest.

    “It just goes to show the election is much closer than folks would have you believe,” McCall said. “We have probably the most liberal ticket on the Democratic side that we’ve ever seen. When I look at the polls, it’s within the margin of error. There are people who are just getting nervous about that. As a result, they do desperate things.”

    Party officials announced the incident and distributed photos of the vandalism this morning. Within hours, TV news stations and at least one conservative political blog, Palmetto Scoop, were reporting on it.

    The vandals did their work sometime after 2 a.m., because that’s when party volunteers left the office after putting out candidate signs, said coordinator Joe St. John.

    Local Republicans use the converted two-story house on Oakland Avenue as a temporary base of operations during the fall campaign season. They oversee phone banks, store candidate yard signs and host party functions.

    The vandalism drew a condemnation from York County Democratic Party Chairman Jim Watkins, who said he hopes those responsible are punished. The Democratic Party rents space in an office building on East Main Street in downtown.

    “This kind of thing has absolutely no place in our public discourse about important issues in this election,” Watkins said. “I’m just saddened by the whole thing. I hope whoever did it is caught and prosecuted.”

    Said McCall, his Republican counterpart: “We’ll get past this and move on.”
    [/rquoter]
     
  11. basso

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    hope, indeed.
     
  12. basso

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    [rquoter]A Barack Obama supporter in Ohio with deep roots in Democratic politics — and a 2001 sex-related felony conviction to his name — is behind two new confrontational videos that bait ignorant people into calling Barack Obama a terrorist.

    The first video was released Wednesday and has gone viral. It currently has more than 1.1 million views on YouTube. Part II went online a day later and is well on its way to viral status, with more than 145,000 views.

    The John McCain and Sarah Palin supporters in the videos are characterized as “The McCain-Palin Mob.” The videos selectively feature voters who, upon being asked antagonistic questions, make some outrageous statements about Obama.

    One voter said, “I think he’s a one-man terrorist cell.” Another said the Democratic presidential nominee has “the bloodlines” to be a terrorist because of his Arab names, and a third called Obama “a domestic terrorist.”

    The videos feed into the current liberal media narrative that McCain-Palin supporters are unhinged. At least two high-profile journalists, Andrew Sullivan of The Atlantic and Steve Benen of Washington Monthly, already have linked to one of the videos. Great Britain’s The Guardian also has quoted lines from it.

    With all of the blog and MSM chatter about angry McCain-Palin crowds, odds are good that the videos will get more attention. But the media may not be as eager to tell the public about the man behind the camera, however. His name is Tim Russo of Blogger Interrupted.

    Russo has a sordid history online. A May cover story in the Cleveland Free Times, an alternative newspaper, dubbed him “Ohio’s most controversial blogger,” and Russo acknowledges that he has been spurned by fellow Democratic activists and bloggers alike.

    Here are a few facts to keep in mind now that Russo’s video work is getting media attention:

    – In 2001, Russo was convicted of a fifth-degree felony for soliciting sex from a presumed minor over the Internet. He was caught in an FBI sting covered by a local news channel.

    – WRUW, the campus radio station of Case Western Reserve University, booted Russo from his volunteer show in September. Russo may sue as a result of that decision, and the potential defendants include YouTube, Facebook, the conservative publication Human Events, and Republican Ohio blogger Matt Naugle.

    – YouTube removed one of Russo’s other in-your-face videos as “content inappropriate.” The site also pulled his upload of a video shot for now-Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, after a copyright claim. Vimeo yanked that video, too.

    – Facebook recently canceled Russo’s account for violating its terms of service. Russo thinks he got booted because of his spat with liberal writer Matt Bai.

    – And prominent Washington-based liberal blogger John Aravosis of Americablog has blacklisted Russo.

    None of those facts are offered to explain away the false accusations making news these days that Obama is a terrorist, which is different than asking legitimate questions about Obama’s ties to former terrorist William Ayers. McCain-Palin supporters who say such things all on their own certainly are fair game for media coverage and public criticism.

    But journalists shouldn’t take at face value Internet videos that are produced by activists. They shouldn’t be duped into publicizing the work of online troublemakers like Russo, who by his own profanity-laced admission is unrepentant about pursuing an agenda at all costs.

    f you watch a video from my blog and you feel a bit miffed that some whining Republican thug is on tape without their consent,” he wrote, “grow yourself a pair of onions and get the f— over yourself. I’m fighting for my country.”

    Journalists also should report where that mindset originated — with Obama himself. “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors,” Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. “I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

    And the media need to start reporting the regular episodes of liberals who spit on veterans, encourage the murder of their political enemies and generally behave badly without prompting from any cameramen.

    The most recent examples: Two Oregon men who allegedly torched a McCain sign with Molotov cocktails, and Philadelphia Obama supporters who booed Palin and her six-year-old daughter.

    Liberal video amateurs like Russo and Mike Stark, who in 2006 was wrestled to the ground after obnoxiously asking then-Sen. George Allen if he spit on his first wife, thrive on manufacturing controversy. They want nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame.

    Sadly, their antics appear likely to become commonplace in the final days of Campaign 2008. Another Russo-like video from a McCain-Palin event in Pennsylvania also went viral last week.

    The question is whether journalists will reward these people with the spotlight they seek or expose them as the politically suspect agitators they are.[/rquoter]

    change?
     
  13. RocketMan Tex

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    What part of the truth do you not understand?

    ;)
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    I would have to believe the the Fiorino talk is just rumor. I can't imagine that.

    Aside from that thank you for the list. It's refreshing.
     
  15. basso

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    here's a report on the incident:

    [rquoter]I was at a Sarah Palin event in Philadelphia, at the Park Hyatt Hotel - late Saturday afternoon (Oct. 11th). If you are easily grossed out by the "C" word, I am sorry. But as Andrea says below, if McCain supporters wore a shirt that said "Obama is a ******" or even "Obama is a b*stard" or "Obama is a Terrorist" at an Obama Rally, they would either be thrown off the premises, have their heads kicked in, or even be detained at the local police station (I know this for a fact: I just had on a McCain button at a recent Obama event and I didn't think I was going to get out alive).

    Sorry the picture is not clearer. But these four young people were right in front of the hotel. They have on the nicest shirts. There were worse. There was group as well carrying around a fake dead fetus - exclaiming that "abortion should have been the path for Bristol(?) Palin". And quite a few smoke bombs, etc. etc.

    I also had some nice words thrown at me.

    There were about 500 organized protesters. And about 500 not so organized at this event. The police and hotel security and secret service were letting me all the way up to the hotel steps. In a few cased ... a few protesters got into the lobby.

    In my family, the "C" word is about as bad as you can get.

    Was this reported on the Philadelphia News. No!. Was anyone outraged? No!. All that was on the Philadelphia local news last night was: Obama was at several rallies in Philadelphia earlier in the day (but went home Saturday night to be with his children). Obama and Palin were in Philly on the same day. And was there any mention of Palin - No!. In the Sports section of the local evening news at 11:00PM, they did mention that Palin was at the Philadelphia Flyers game "dropping the first (hockey) puck". The guy said it with a smirk. Then he added that Sarah Palin WAS NOT going home to spend the evening with her children.

    Sorry the attached picture is not clearer. I need a new camera. Please circulate this to as many people as possible and let them see the double standard.

    Not good stuff for a Sunday morning. But this is the REAL AMERICA!.

    - Frank (Last name redacted for privacy by WUA management).[/rquoter]

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-supporters-call-sarah-palin-cnt.html
     
  16. pgabriel

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    the problem with your analogy is as usual is that palin has been stirring up hate at her rallies.
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    Isn't the C word what McCain calls his wife?
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    by "report" you mean "blog post"
     
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    link?
     
  20. pgabriel

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    "palin around with terrorists"
     

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