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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by PhiSlammaJamma, Aug 21, 2001.

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  1. PhiSlammaJamma

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    I'm curious as to what impressionists did not or were not allowed to exhibit at the 2nd exhibition? If anyone could gather a list that would be very helpful to me :) My understanding is that Manet felt some of the artists weren't good enough to impress the critics. SO he didn't ask them to participate a second time. My curiosity has me wondering who, of the rejected few, actually made a name for him or herself? I'd be interested in who turned down the invitation, but my real interest is in who was not invited back. Thanks in advance.
     
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    I know for damn sure I wasn't invited. :mad:
     
  3. mr_oily

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    Le "Salon des Refusés''
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    ...At the same time, other artists wanted to bypass the limitations attached to the Ecole des Beaux-Arts and were working quai des Orfèvres in the Swiss Academy; the eldest, from the Danish West Indies, was Camille Pissarro; the other two were Paul Cézanne and Armand Guillaumin.
    These people were highly impressed by the works of Edouard Manet, and became outraged when they learned that he was refused for the 1863 Salon. The indignation was so high among the artistic population that Napoleon III allowed the opening of a ``Salon des Refusés'', where Manet, Pissarro, Jongkind, Cals, Chintreuil, Fantin-Latour, etc. showed their works. Le Déjeuner sur l'herbe provoked a great enthusiasm among the young painters, who saw represented in Manet's painting many of their concerns. They started meeting around him in the café Guerbois, 9, avenue de Clichy, and thus creating l'école des Batignolles.
    The 1866 Salon accepted the works of some of them: Degas, Bazille, Berthe Morisot, Sisley; Monet exposed the portrait of Camille, Pissarro, les Bords de la Marne en hiver; Manet, Cézanne, Renoir were refused, and Emile Zola wrote in l'Evenement a diatribe which made him the official upholder of those newcomers bearing an more revolutionary attitude in the conception than in the still traditional painting. The main distinction lies in the attraction for color and the liking of light; but Berthe Morisot remained faithful to Manet's teaching; Degas was mixed between his admiration of Ingres and the Italian Renaissance painters; Cézanne attempted to ``faire du Poussin sur nature''; Claude Monet himself, in la Terrasse au Havre and les Femmes au jardin (1866, Louvre, salles du Jeu de Paume), is far from announcing his future audacity.


    http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/glo/impressionism/
     
  4. heypartner

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    First off, Manet did not exhibit in the "First Impressionist Exhibit," or ANY of them. While he did inspire and give money to many Impressionists and was their mentor, I would argue that is it a mistake to say that he "invited" painters to these exhibits. He didn't really ever call himself an Impressionist.

    The deal was that there were many who did not really partake in the Impressionist movement that were invited to the first one. They may have been good contemporary artists in their own right but Manet (and the critics) did not consider them part of the Impressionist or "plein air school." Manet did not even really like his role as "leader" of the school, because all they really did was met at cafe's to drink too much coffee and wine (and absynthe no doubt) after a days work.

    Here's a short list of some of those who weren't part of that cafe crowd, but were in the exhibit:

    de Nittis
    Brandon
    Bracquemond
    Lepine
    Colin

    Remember, don't think that this was a formal group chaired by Manet or anything. This was a cutting-edge, young rebelious group moving away from the Paris Salon--yet Manet was a significant Master of Salon exhibits.

    They listed above were never Manet's "disciples." So the answer to your question is a political one of Manet being unable (and uninterested, really) to restrict entry to the first exhibit. It was too early for them to get an exhibit by themselves, albeit the name of the exhibit. The subsequent exhibits had given them enough time for more exposure and "acceptance."

    these include: Monet, Pissaro, Renoir, Sisley, Degas, Cezanne, Moriset, and some others. All these artists were close to Manet, but he didn't really lead them. Plus they made a mark for themselves...right? The First Exhibit was simply too early for them to get an exclusive, provocative exhibit. You make it sound like they later kicked people out. I don't think that is how it happened, since the first one was too premature for a focused study of Impressionism.

    Understand, Manet was really more interested in studio works that could make it at the Paris Salon exhibits. He was a master who led "disciples" at cafes in discussions of art. But he never really was a member of more rebelious Impressionist--Plein Air School of landscapes.
     
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  5. Mango

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    mr_oily,

    Isn't the Salon des Refusés (1863 and what you cited) a different event than the First Impressionist Exhibition (1874)?


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  6. PhiSlammaJamma

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    That makes sense. It sounds very logical so I'll go with it. My only follow up question, and it may very well be mute at this point, is this....Do you think anybody participating in the first exhibition would have been "upset" at having not been included in the second. This is the story I'm after, and that's the story that has some bite to it, but if what your saying is true, they probably weren't upset because they weren't really impressionists anyway. They may have just been exhibiting to exhibit. ...Or perhaps make the point that they belonged in the Salon even though they were refused. I think one of the people you listed was sculpter anyway.

    I'm not sure I would agree that Manet wasn't the ring leader. I remember some of the biography.com series and they gave the impression (so to speak) that he was. That he was the one begging the two women to participate and such.
     
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    Is Cézanne the biggest name that was in the First Exhibition (1874), but not in the Second Exhibition (1876)?



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    Yeah you're right. I had no idea what I was lookin' up!

    http://www.artchive.com/74nadar.htm
     
  9. rockHEAD

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    LOL

    mr_oily you a fool!
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    j/k

    rH
     
  10. PhiSlammaJamma

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    This is the answer according to the National Gallery of Art in DC

    "The situation was far more fluid than you suggest. Artist were not really invited but chose to exhibit (or not) in the shows as they wished. Many of those who exhibited were not even impressionists. The best single source of information on each of the "Impressionist" shows and who was--and was not--included can be found in the 1986 catalogue for an exhibition at the National Gallery of Art. Entitled "The New Painting. Impressionism 1874-1886," the catalogue was compiled and coordinated by Charles S. Moffet and published in conjunction with The Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco."
     
  11. mr_oily

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    BTW, did anyone go to the "From Renoir to Picasso" Exhibit at the Kimbell in Ft. Worth.?
    I'm an asbtract geek but geeez that was absolutely amazing, incredible, beautiful to see so many wonderful works. Renoir is tha $hit!
     

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