He's got you there, Mad. Your argument for doing 'whatever it takes' doesn't hold up. Though I don't quite agree that congress should be focusing on something like this right now.
The point, Rocket River, is that this isn't about Belichick cheating. This is all about Specter's blatant attention whoring. It was rather pathetic of him -- four months after the Spygate incident, on the eve of the Super Bowl that was expected to crown the Patriots as the first ever 19-0 team, all of a sudden Congressman Specter appears on TV "HAY LOOK AT ME, I CAN HAS HEERING! WAI GUDEL DISTROI TAPES? LULZ"
H*ll . . . . If Barry wasn't going for the Record The steriod Stuff would not have been as large Same with Sammy and Mark Mac People strike while the Iron is hot Personally . . the Steriods in Baseball . .and this are wastes of time but . . . . No one was screaming this iltiming or waste of time stuff can during the 1st round of congressional hearings [well some were but not as many as bashing this guy now or as vehelemently] If it is Crap now. . . it was crap then It is giving belacheat a pass by proxy Where are all the *'s for there superbowl talks Where are all the Boos If the Baseball hearings were a good thing .. then so is this you cannot be PRO one and then ANTI the other and still think you being consistant Rocket River
The baseball investigation dealt with a direct challenge to a detailed government report (which was requested by baseball, not Congress) and lying under oath from either Clemens or McNamee. That's a very different context than this.
Who the **** cares what the guys incentive is? You guys are completely changing the subject. The point is that the Patriots, considered one of the greatest NFL dynastys, have been filming thier opponents since 2000. Thier spying goes much past a New York Jets game and thier penalty needs to be a lot worse than a draft pick and spare change.
Tax revenue generated by the stadiums should require a federal investigation into this clear and present danger ~ video taping of NFL defensive signals.
That's cheating. But it's not fixing outcomes, RR. The outcome is still up in the air, even when you cheat. Fixing is when you have a team throw a game...or in the case of the 1919 White Sox...a world series.
This is just wrong. The first hearings were about baseball, in general. About the depth and pervasiveness of performance-enhancing substances in the game...how they got there and the environment that fostered their continued use. This last hearing was about one man defending himself against allegations from another man. We have courts for that.
Well...MadMAx, you just have to take what River says... With a gRain of salt and realize that He is just....... ArGuing for the sake of ArGuing - some folx just like that.... What I wAnt to know... Is Nice UsE of folx taxpayer $ by ConGress in Spector... Bringing this Issue to LiGht... Manny Ramirez
I think it has more to do with Comcast/NFL than the Patriots. The Patriots just happened to be the team caught cheating.
If Congress doesn't go after them, who else will? ESPN? It's kind of sad that everyone would rather sweep this -and the Clemons case- under the rug rather than have someone pursue it. It's as if we don't want to know that the two sacred sports of this country are as dirty as everything else in life.
No...it's that we don't want Congress to get involved with things they have no business being involved with. It's that we think the lawmakers who we elect and pay their salary have better things to do...more important issues to deal with. For Clemens, there is a court proceeding already in place on the very issue...and Congress doesn't try individuals. For the NFL...there's no compelling interest for Congress to be involved. Spector had to make up a "right to fair football" and it's beyond ridiculous.
Please tell me which law the Patriots broke. That's why Congress shouldn't be involved. It's a rule of a business that was broken. Not a law. Congress has no reason to be involved.
Max, congress can't fix any of those major issues! Might as well give them a chance to fix, or at least, bring to the forefront one (steroids in baseball) issue and investigate another (cheating in football) that a league intended to bury forever. Simply looking into steroids in general, like you want them to and like they already did, didn't bring as much attention or pressure to baseball to enact strict testing policies. Whether you like it or not, taking down one of baseball's legendary and supposedly "pure" legends has brought way more attention to this issue than talking in generalities. Exposing Clemons through that hearing left significant doubts that he didn't use steroids, it made it clear that baseball has a major problem, and that it's not concentrated on power-hitting jerks, but also power-pitching media darlings and players that you'd never suspect like Andy Pettite. Had Spector not gone after the Patriots we would have never known that their cheating has been going on since Belichek became the head coach. One compelling interest, to me, is that no one else is willing nor able to investigate the NFL. How else would you force these leagues to change? Had Congress not gotten involved they would have kept everything a secret like they've been doing for years now. Baseball would still be making weak attempts to test for steroids and the Patriots would still be thought of as a great team that won because of hard work, intelligence, team work, and legendary coaching. Again, if not Congress, who? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080202&sportCat=nfl
