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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Gorki, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. basketballholic

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    None. Need to see more to have an opinion to opine about.
     
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    Capela + Gordon and picks for AD??????
    Only way that goes through outside of giving up 10 unprotected first round picks is if we give up James Harden too. I don't know why you bring up DeAndre Jordan as he is a LIABILITY on the perimeter AND HES GETTING PAID MORE THAN CLINT.

    Brandon Knight is dead money at this point, unless that "serviceable big man" is an overpaid scrub like Ian Mahimi, you ain't getting **** for "Brevin".

    And why sacrifice Clint for someone who can almost defend, almost block shots, almost catch passes, and almost play primiter defense? You need to list actual names for Capela replacements that:

    Make less money
    have his skillset + a three point shot
    are available in a trade
     
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  3. Bo6

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    he's been bad.

    but kid's 19 and he is no worse than when Capela first reached the floor.
     
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  4. txn

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    Are you kidding me? DJ is getting paid for 24 mil / year. What you talking about? He's not gonna sign with you with less than 20 mil. You are being delusional again.

    Also, In terms of facing Golden State, I take CC over DJ all day, man. Look at the record of Clippers VS Golden State. They are winless against Golden State, mainly because your DJ boy getting destroyed by Stephenie.
     
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    I am sure Daryl wish you are the GM of NO Pelicans. Capela + EG +Picks can get us AD. Joke of the day:D
     
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    Ignorant post. DJ is expiring contract.
     
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    I didn't say it would get us AD. I said we should make the offer if AD goes on the market. Same goes for KD.
     
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    Pretty sure Morey would trade Capela, Ego and picks for either KD or AD. But that is not on the table.

    Its like arguing that Rox should trade Ennis for Kawhi wtf. What is the point since it is not up to the Rox in the first place?
     
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    I'm not arguing it. It's a viable offer that forces other teams to put more on the table.

    In Durant's case there's no other team that will put more assets on the table for him than we will.

    AD could very well turn out the same if he asks for a trade and wants to attempt to bull his way to the Lakers.
     
  10. Air Canada

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    Unless you're getting Anthony Davis.... Which good luck with that offer.... None of the rest of what you said is an answer.... None of those guys provide those things nor do they offset what Capela brings.
     
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    So if we trade Capela and we don't trade for Davis.....you're saying it's a loser trade.
     
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    That's why you shouldn't mention it as if it's something you can count on... DJ shooting a good percentage on a much shorter sample size is something you should assume will heavily regress given his career averages and many years of the evidence to the contrary until he proves otherwise... It's not the first time he's shot Fts well for a stretch before going back to being terrible... Capela has shot Fts for a good stretch in the past before going back to being poor.... What we do know is that Capela has improved his percentage at the line each season of his career and also he's younger and continually improving... DJ is 30 and has been all over the place every year at the line with varying levels of terrible... No trend of improvement.

    No one is talking about his 3pt shot so nice deflection to irrelevance.


    And DJ has been a worse FT shooter for his career than Capela so we'd also be staring at it in that case...

    Regressed in what way exactly?

    Yes he is... DJ is not as good at switching like Capela or as good at guarding the perimeter....

    Capela already is a force in the PnR and he's a better career ft shooter than DJ and has actually shown a trend of improvment each season.
     
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    I'm responding to what you mentioned... You're the one making the call that we need to trade him... You need to provide the players... You mentioned Davis... Of course that's a winner trade.... That's the only player you've mentioned so far that can do what you stated and offset Capela.
     
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    Otto Porter and Oubre

    Him, Knight, Nene for Mahinmi, Porter, Oubre, and Satorsnsky

    In a package for Winslow and Whiteside.
    Or James Johnson and Winslow.

    Nurkic and Harkless

    Taj and Tyus

    Gasol and Poeltl

    Tristan, Dekker, and Nwaba, JR for Him Knight Nene

    Others

    Him Knight Nene Chriss for Zeller Marvin MKG, Bacon, second rounder
     
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    None of these make sense... They don't offset what Capela brings and they're not moves that make us better... The only player that would be worth getting back in these deals would be Porter and it wouldn't make sense to give up Clint to get him when you could probably trade a less intricate piece of the team to do so... A player like Nurkic does not offset Capela... Less efficient offense and worse defense... He would make us easier to defend... Both Miami deals are terrible... Whiteside(speaking of regressed) is a volatile headcase who does not offset Capela and Winslow is a pretty garbage offensive player and not a good shooter.
     
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    That’s an easy one... YES

    Lord you are insufferable and have serious obsessive compulsive disorder. Trading Capela just to trade him is not good. Trading him for an MVP calliber player would be good... trading him for someone like Thon Maker just because is bad. This isn’t that hard dude.

    Give the Trade Capela ASAP spazzfest a rest for a day please.
     
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    It wasn't ignorant your response is ignorant. Read what he wrote. DJ IS expiring, meaning he will have to resign. We would not have bird rights, and would not have the cap space to sign him, and he would not sign for less than 20 million that we DO NOT have.
     
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    None of these make the team better. Mahinmi and Porter are on huge deals and we can't stomach both of them. Mahinmi is also arguably the worst player on that team, so he wouldn't solve our problem having no depth in the big positions. Porter would be nice, but not worth losing Capela. Oubre and Porter would have us with 5 SFs on the roster. And Satoransky would get lost on the bench.

    Whiteside has been horrible lately, and is nothing more than a rebounder and shot blocker. He is also on a bigger contract than Capela, and much older. Winslow, as much as I like him, is shooting 27% from 3. Also we could get James Johnson for much less than that, and he too is very old. Next.

    Nurkic isn't an improvement. Harkless literally stopped shooting 3s for a bonus. Next.

    Taj is old. You overrate Tyus heavily.

    Gasol is horrible and old. Poeltl is unproven.

    Thompson has always been a borderline starter. Capela is probably a top 10 Center in the league. JR is a chucker and can be had for Knight alone probably. Nwaba can't shoot. Dekker is injury prone and unproven and is a 28 PERCENT THREE POINT SHOOTER.

    I don't even want to answer this last one but I will. Zeller averages 8 and 5 in 22 minutes on his career and is a subpar defender. Capela blows that out the water. Marvin Williams is old. MKG is literally known for not being able to shoot. Bacon is okay, but would get buried on the bench behind Green and Gordon. And 3 of these guys are on massive contracts that would flow into the next year (with Zeller going 2 more years).

    Literally none of these trades address any issues rather than YOUR issue with Clint Capela. All they do is 1. Make us older, 2. Block our cap, or 3. Bring in pieces that don't work in our system. Seeing Capela lock up Gobert and Towns in the playoffs was a good sign. Also in games we win, he has an Offensive Rating of 132! Higher than both Paul and Harden. So no. None of these trades make the team any better, other than the super unrealistic trade of getting Anthony Davis.
     
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    Rumor was that he was willing to take a pay cut around 16-17m but we kept Capela. Maybe he is basing it under the assumption that next year DJ would come home to Houston at a discount. He just sign for a year with the mavs.
     

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