What If Colleges Used Only Test Scores to Fill Campuses?

@dachuda86 do you believe that the quality of education for a child should be determined by the income of the child's parents?

 

I don't think it is as simple as grouping everyone by race. Collectivism is an over simplification used for political aims at this point and doesn't solve the problem which is about income disparity. Not race. Racists obsess over race and think like you. The problem is far more complex and closer to one of financial ability. Yes there is a racial issue historically but race issues are not the magical explanation for all the ills facing people today. Cultural and financial factors also apply. Sitting here obsessing over skin color isn't going to amount to anything productive.

Actually this thread is crap. Very much bait. OP knew it would get the usual race obsessed posters in a tizzy and yall bit.

 

With the black community it pretty much is the 400 hundred year history prior unless you believe it's also partially because of genetic predisposition that a black child is more likely to be born into a poor family than a white child in this country.

Explain what you mean by collectivism? Are you against equal access to quality public education? Do you believe that kids should have the quality of education that is determined by how well off or how poor their parents are?

Stop barking platidues and delve into some nuance.

As easily as you can blurt out "racists care about race" I can just as easily say racists ignore 400 years of institutionalized racism that has severe tangible consequences and be more confident that my statement reflects reality more.

 

Money isnt the problem in black schools, its broken homes. Its kids coming home from school and a single mother not giving a damn about his homework

A kid goes to school in a beat up building. So what there js still a teacher. HSID is rebuilding all its schools. By Texas standards its not a poor district

 

For all of them? No. Collectivism is built on faulty logic.

Why not have a broken home scholarship instead of one for skin color?

 

It's definitely a large part of the problem.

Studies have shown that children, even in broken homes are more exited and willing to engage in their school work when they have access to better facilities and better paid teachers who put in more effort.

 

You lack nuance by focusing on race.... in fact you come off a tinge racist.

 

You haven't addressed any of my points.

I focus on race because large parts of American society explicitly with malicious intent focused on race towards black people for a 400 year stretch that has created the dynamic we see today.

 

Why would you want to go by test scores exclusively any ways?

People do realize that you can change your test score drastically with preparation?

I mean the article that the OP links even explains that but again, many people just do not read, they read the headline and then skip past anything they don't want to hear so they come up with a bad conclusion.

There's tons of data backing these claims.

Most important that you can raise your SAT score by 300 points just by retaking it, being prepared.

So the question really shouldn't be about "What if we just went by test scores?" it's a useless question.

The question should be "Why should we just go by test scores?" Elite colleges asked this question, some do consider them more than others, that's basically how it goes. Harvard has a more holistic approach, MIT does not.

Think about the NBA draft...do we only go by stats? No, we do not. Teams just don't look at who has the best stats and draft them higher. They too go by holistic review of will this guy fit on our team and if he's shown the potential to dominate at the pro-level. The SAT is sort of like the PPG stat in the nba. It tells you a lot generally,it tells you that it's very likely that this player is a good player, but it doesn't tell you much else. It doesn't tell you if they are averaging a high amount of points because of the system or because he truly dominated and couldn't be stopped.

This is truly the the analytics vs old school debate. Some teams live by analytics (ahem...) and some teams look for more than just stats and numbers and try to figure out if the player has the drive to be great, to be a winner...

A good SAT score tells you the student is a good test taker, probably very smart, but that does not make them a good potential student.

At the end of the day, some colleges do basically go by test scores and some do not. I'm confused as to what the issue actually is? It sounds to me that conservatives, once again, want to control things to be in their favor. They don't like how certain schools do their admissions because they are admitting too many non-white people for their taste.

 

Deflection. Slogans. Boring.

 

then elite US universities would be over-represented by Asians, the demographic that'd stand to gain the most

this law suit against Harvard, which is clearly aimed for the Supreme Court, puts Asian-Americans front and center in the latest stage of the affirmative action debate. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/a ... .html?_r=2

this law suit alleges Harvard of implementing the discriminatory practice of "bamboo curtain"
to counter over-representation of Asian American student population
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this scholarly book, written by 2 Sociology professors from the UC system, where the "bamboo curtain" was first implemented, provides a nuanced discussion of the discriminatory practice to counter the rapidly rising Asian student population

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Racial BS is honestly beneath discussion for people who don't sit around harboring hatred and resentment.

 

au contrare, if test scores were the only criteria, Asian student population would at least double


i'd take the conclusion reached by the scholarly research by the 2 UC sociology professors than
the reporting by WSJ every time

 

I'm pretty liberal but that sounds like a pipedream even to me. No bill dumping a significant amount of federal money into only crap schools will ever exist.

 

Do understand the inherent problem with most public schools being funded by local property taxes?

 

Yes. Do you understand that such a plan has a million logistical holes in it?

I’m definitely in favor of a more level playing field but trying to fix the problem with an extreme solution like that is “hard stop, no”.

There are so many other issues the country can’t come together; this is not going to be the greater uniter.

 

I am speaking of pragamtic problems, not great uniting problems. It's a issue that is systemically causing never ending class inequality. Quality of k-12 public education has to much variance depedant on local affluence when that completely defeats the purpose of public education. It's a large systemic problem that causes deep rooted tangible effects.

 

Yea, heard you the first time.

Not 100% familiar with every European country’s education policies but pretty much what you’re proposing isn’t remotely feasible.

There’s inherently winners and losers at birth. Some people are borne rich, more are borne poor. There’s literally nothing that will equalize everyone’s respective lifetime opportunities.

 

What a self-defeatist attitude.

If the DOD can throw around 1 thousand dollars per clutch pack that cost 33 dollars to manufacture per unit because some lobbyist bribed a politician to line the pockets of our defense contractors, we can decide our federal government can even the playing field with our k-12 education not being on average being 80% funded by local property taxes.

Eliminating income inequality completely is an unattainable goal however that doesn't mean we should shoot ourselves in the foot by having such a wide gradient of quality when it comes to public k-12 education.

Assuming that the quality of public school should be inherently be determined by affluence completely missed the point of public education.

Kids who are born rich will already have the privilege of having some form of inheritance they can invest with. That's their advantage. They shouldn't have an advantage of having access to better public grade school education. Their parents already have the option of private school anyways.

 

I say we do an experiment. We'll have two sets of 100 children. On one side we'll take the anti-collectivist, individualist will kids and put them in a school district in the poorest part of Mississippi and then we'll take 100 anti Ayn Rand dreamers and collectivists and put them in a wealthy private school. Then we'll compare their progress from pre-k through high school. I'm guessing dopey @dachuda86 would volunteer to go to Mississippi to ensure the success of his like minded folk.

There are literally many things we can do to further equalize children's educational successes.