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What If Colleges Used Only Test Scores to Fill Campuses?

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  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Contributing Member

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    Yeah...


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    So what about white privilege again?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-i...to-fill-campuses-11561282201?mod=hp_lead_pos5

    As Americans debate the roles of wealth, race and access in higher education, researchers at Georgetown University wondered: What would the nation’s most selective colleges and universities look like if they admitted students solely on the basis of SAT scores?

    Their answer: The most prestigious U.S. campuses would be wealthier, whiter and more male—leading researchers to question the role standardized testing plays in a fair, comprehensive admissions process.

    More than half the students now enrolled at the top 200 colleges and universities would lose their seats to students who performed better on the test—and the median SAT score would rise by 70 points to 1320, the study found.

    The biggest losers in this reshuffling were black and Latino students, whose numbers would be cut nearly in half, to 11% of all students from 19%. The share of Asian students would slip to 10% from 11%. The principal winners were wealthy white male students, whose ranks would increase. But a large number of white students would lose their seats and be replaced with other white students.

    “The affluent have extraordinary advantages in college admissions,” said Anthony P. Carnevale, director of Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, which performed the analysis. Until 2005, Mr. Carnevale was a vice president at Educational Testing Service, which is a client of The College Board and administers the SAT.

    Many elite colleges consider a range of factors such as grades, extracurricular activities and teacher recommendations in what they call a holistic admissions approach. They also try to build a diverse student body and might look for students from underrepresented ethnic or racial backgrounds or geographical regions.

    The holistic admissions process has come under fire following the disclosure this spring of the biggest cheating ring federal prosecutors say they have ever seen. In addition, pending lawsuits filed against Harvard University and the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, among others, charge that the schools racially discriminate against Asian applicants.

    “The SAT does not and should not measure excellence on its own. Data are overwhelming that grades and test scores together better predict college success than either does alone,” a spokesman for The College Board said in a statement. “Comprehensive research demonstrates that sustained commitment to an activity in high school outside of class further predicts success in college and beyond. Resourcefulness in response to challenges has long been honored in college admissions as a dimension of merit and success in life. A focus on a single score would leave so much talent unseen.”

    The College Board, the New York-based nonprofit that oversees the SAT, is introducing an adversity score to accompany a student’s SAT results. The score is an amalgamation of socioeconomic data that measures factors like the crime rate, housing cost, family structure and school resources where an individual student lives and studies.

    Researchers at Georgetown sorted admissions at the nation’s top schools as determined by Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges. They took the 300,000 seats from those colleges and universities and filled them with top SAT and ACT scores earned by the 2.7 million high-school seniors who took the test in 2012. Then they compared who got the highest test scores to who got in by the actual admissions system, using Education Department data that didn’t include the students’ names.

    The researchers used a composite score that standardizes both the SAT and ACT scores in terms of the SAT’s grading scale. Using that scale, the median SAT score of accepted students climbed to 1320 from 1250. The new bar for admissions meant that 159,000 students lost their seats.

    The percentage of male students at the schools climbed to 54% from 50%. The most dramatic increase was among white students, who grew to 75% from 66% of the aggregated student body. The proportion of students coming from families in the top quartile of income distribution—where the median income is $122,000—increased to 63% from 60%.

    “When used as part of a holistic strategy, standardized testing offers a check on opaque admissions, but it’s still no guarantee of fairness,” Mr. Carnevale said. “It’s time to find a better approach.”
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    Test's don't adjust for the fact that whites tend to have an advantage in education quality - that's what is meant by white privilege.

    It's not surprising you don't recognize that you are privileged.
     
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  3. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You want to give the white kid a 5 yard head start in the 40 yard dash and then you're surprised more white kids win the race. I'm impressed.
     
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  4. dachuda86

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    Not all white kids get to go to private school or even the best public schools.
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    So you're saying not ALL white kids get the 5 yard head start? Good argument.
     
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  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    UT is 2% black
     
  8. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    It's not even private schools. The quality of public k-12 education is heavily determined by the district you live in hence why my parents who had the means to, searched for a home when I was a little kid in a top school district.

    And our 400 year history has force funneled a large portion of the black community in poor neighborhoods with **** school districts.
     
  9. dachuda86

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    A lot of blacks get better starts than whites. And they have a lower bar to clear.
     
  10. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    We are speaking of trends and statistics. Black children are statistically far more likely to be born in a neighborhood zoned to a **** school district than a white kid or south asian kid or east east Asian kid.

    There is always going to be exceptions to trends.
     
  11. dachuda86

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    And your point? Do you want to take that land like in SA?
     
  12. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Right, diminishing the rule and arguing the exception are like freshman Trump University tactics. Maybe you should stick to photoshops.

    Here, argue about this one.

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  13. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    What?

    I want the quality of our public k-12 education to not be determined by how wealthy your neighborhood is because that entirely defeats the purpose of public education as a tool to allow children of any background to succeed.

    I much prefer the federal government stepping in and funding these **** school districts instead of local property taxes to even the playing field rather than go the affirmative action/reparations route.
     
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    4% undergrad
     
  15. dachuda86

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    I would argue that you are obsessed with identity and collective groups, and focusing on yourself as an individual would help you get out of your rut.
     
  16. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Ha. So you went from diminish the rule, exaggerate the exception to ignore all the data completely to raise yourself up by your bootstraps.

    You've gone the full gamut of stupid conservatism in like a ten minute span. That takes talent.

    CASE CLOSED
     
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  17. fchowd0311

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    Well given the 300 years of slavery where black children were not even allowed to be literate and an additional 100 years of Jim Crow segregation where black children were segregated in even shittier schools that would recieve 5% of the funding per child as a white school and financially qualified black families being denied housing loans and often rent in well off neighborhoods has generated a situation where black families today are disproportionately in poor ghetto communities hence why race does matter in this country. It's our 400 year history that makes race matter to the average black Individual.
     
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  18. dachuda86

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    Not at all. I am just concerned about you being in a rut and clearly mentally screwed up. Your data doesn't mean much and I find it doesn't account for the will of the individual. Collectivism is for the stupid and desperate.
     
  19. dachuda86

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    You are sounding like a collectivist. I don't buy into that at all. You have choices and opportunity.
     
  20. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    What do you mean you don't "but into it"?

    Do you believe in cause and effect? Do you believe in history?

    I sound like someone who believes in the original intent of public education by our founders.
     
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