[#Wat] Is Virginia’s governor promoting infanticide?

We are all good and no worries.

btw Woods actually was in a number of big movies (Onion Filed, Casino,Contact, Ghosts of Mississippi) I actually like a few of james woods' films... he was a bad guy in Against All Odds and was in a pretty cute movie with Glenn Close and Mary Stuart Masterson called Immediate Family. He really went off the rails though.

 

He was also in the move about El Salvador.

I think he's a pretty good actor in the right role. Has a real nervous energy about him and can definitely play a weasel.

 

Salvador was a great movie and performance. And you are also right, he seemed dangerous, and played a great bad guy. Thats why Immediate Family was a movie I liked... he had a very sympathetic role out of character. And the scene where Close and Masterson are both dancing while listening to Into the Mystic is a great scene.

Funny, as bizarre his political activism got, I don't have any issue with his acting performances (as opposed to some who boycott movies because they don't like an actor's politics).

Best get back to arguing about politicians... we're supposed to be hating on them.

 

Why does the right need to lie so much? I mean it's so sad. It's like they know the fact are not on their side so they need to make up something that is horrible to us all so they can fight against it.

 

Political outrage is fostered through lies. That's why both sides do it. The left is just benefiting right now that they they don't need to lie and rarely need to exaggerate the outrageous nature of Trump. But they absolutely DID in prior years. Like Maher said, the left acted like every Republican who ever ran for office was as outrageous as Trump and that's part of what desensitized people to the actual Trump run.

 

Bush dug his own grave when he invaded Iraq and his no child left behind program in texas was a disaster. Frankly I think he improved a lot once he stopped listening to the idiots in his cabinet and started making rational decisions. But he deserved the critique his first 6 years in office.

 

I prefer "Institutionalized Infanticide"

 

Well, I guess that's on me; I didn't know, and so his post just seemed odd. I shall cease and desist on my point.

 

Is that what the bill actually says or a lawmaker answering a question badly?

 

Are you suggesting she lied? Or needs a mulligan because she didn't lie well enough?

 

Or maybe she just mucked up her answer because neither the question nor the answer makes sense. What does the actual bill say?

 

Not a hard quesiton to understand. She could have asked for clarification is she wanted to and didn't because it wasn't nonsense at all. She gave a clear answer to the man's question. What does the bill say? This lawmaker just told you. But just for the sake of humoring you... Here is a link to the bill HB 2491 if you want to read it yourself, but I am sure you have read it already.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+HB2491


From the legal summary, for the sake of making this easy to understand for all present, "The bill eliminates the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman's death or impairment of her mental or physical health, as well as the need to find that any such impairment to the woman's health would be substantial and irremediable."

So if the woman is dialating and wants an aboration, all it would take is for one doctor to agree to a woman's request if she says it will hurt her mental health. This would make the action of killing a baby that is on its way out of the womb legal. Do you not see how this could be a problem?

From the bill itself I have underlined the parts the Democrat lawmaker wants to remove and put in bold the replacement words:

(b) 2. The physician and two consulting physicians certify certifies and so enter enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in their the physician's medical opinion, based upon their the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.


So the final version would be this:

(b) 2. The physician certifies and enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in the physician's medical opinion, based upon their the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

 

So the changes are that it goes from 3 doctors to 1 doctor and the bar for damage to the woman may be softened. How does that mean a baby on it's way out can no be aborted but could not before???? The bill nor the previous law address that situation and neither law appears to disallow that

 

Can you not read? What does the bill say? It says everything those dumb conservatives have been complaining about. Or are you going insist the bill writer just mucked it up?

 

I went through the bill and the changes did not impact whether or not a woman about to give birth can have an abortion outside of only requiring one vs 3 doctors. I seriously doubt that anyone about to go into labor is going to ask for an abortion at that time anyway!

 

You just underestimate the darkness of the human soul. The wording should be tightened up and clarified. I think some abortions may be OK, but not when there is a baby on the way out and fully formed as a person. Most people don't want to kill a baby at this stage. But the legislation would protect someone killing a baby and yes it could definitely happen. Even if you want to think people wouldn't do it, you could have a murderous doctor or one that doesn't value human life, and a distressed mother ask for an abortion at last minute (literally). There are all kinds of scenarios that could lead to this situation and it shouldn't be legal. We live in a messed up world where all kinds of things we don't think would happen do as people continue to lower the bar.

 

Surely a mother should have the right to abort a baby all the way up to that baby being 17 years 364 day 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds old.

 

So the bill does exactly what sweet lou says it does. Reduces the number of physicians required from 3 to 1. Everything else you believe ("darkness of souls") could happen before or after the bill.