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[WALLS WORK] Over 35 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces since start of "protest"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    There were similar attacks by the soon-to-be Israelis against Palestinians just before their nation was formed. Palestinians were fighting with the folks that would become Israelis and vice versa before the formation of Israel in 1948. They were already at war with each other. The idea that Palestinians and Arab nations only started fighting after Israel had formed isn't accurate.

    As I mentioned earlier. The soon to be Israelis massacred a Palestinian village before Israel was actually formed. So it isn't as if the peaceful unsuspecting Israelis were attacked by surprise when Israel formed.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    A high quality modern wall keeps people out with zero deaths -- this isn't a medieval castle being defended against Palestinians with trebuchet siege weapons.
     
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    1. There was fighting between the two long before there was a state of Israel, that's true but that's hardly relevant today and when the fighting was back and forth, pointing fingers during that time is a pretty ridiculous thing to do.

    2. Figured you wouldn't have a response to that.

    3. Citation needed. I'm not saying it hasn't ever been said, but it's pretty hard to find a time when Israel said that about Palesinians while it's the primary goal of the Palestinians.

    As to them not having a right to a country, that's a true statement and never recognizing a Palestinian government controlled by a terrorist organization seems like a pretty obvious thing.

    Now when you say "neither side", you are making a false equivalence, one is an internationally recognized sovereign nation the other is merely a group of people that choose to be led by a terrorist organization. In no way are they on equal footing, nor should they be.
     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    You mean primary and official like spoken by the person who is the leader of Israel?

    https://www.haaretz.com/netanyahu-if-i-m-elected-there-will-be-no-palestinian-state-1.5337927

    One is a recognized sovereign nation and Israel should always be that. But they shouldn't be guilty of implementing the Apartheid system they are now. They have laws that plainly discriminate in areas that aren't related to their defense. They are in violation of numerous agreements and UN resolutions.

    Palestinians should abandon violence altogether.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    That isn't a link to anyone suggesting that Palestinians should be driven into the sea. I've really only seen Palestinians and other Muslims say that about Israelis. Saying that a terrorist people shouldn't get their own country is completely different, of course they say that.
     
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    It's time for people to stop being afraid of criticizing Israel because of guilt for the holocaust or fear of being labeled anti-semetic for not being pro-Israel.

    Israel's policies towards the Palestinians have been unjust for a century. But the open slaughter and shooting of people done because you can get away with it is not good for anyone. Israel is doing something inhuman and illegal, and in the end they are destabilizing the world for a few scraps of land.
     
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    Here's a link with an Israeli govt. official talking about ethnic cleansing and mass expulsion of Palestinians. He's talking about Nakba. Even the Israeli news agency came out against this. None of the Israeli govt. leadership did, however.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...ns-palestinians-it-threatens-itself-1.5434657
     
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    I'll have to take your word for it, the article seems to be behind a paywall.
     
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    Netanyahu Announces Day Of Mourning For Fence Damaged In Yesterday’s Conflict

    JERUSALEM—Wiping away a tear as he confirmed the public’s worst fears, Israel prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu officially declared a nationwide day of mourning Tuesday for a section of security fence damaged in yesterday’s conflict at the Gaza border. “We must all come together and take the time to grieve for this poor, innocent length of fence,” said Netanyahu, who throughout his reportedly stirring eulogy shared several images of the youthful barrier, which was first erected between Israel and the Gaza Strip in 1994. “Let us never forget what happened to this beautiful razor wire–topped barricade, which still had so much life ahead of it. As we lower our flags to half-mast, I encourage all Israelis to take a few moments to consider the great sacrifices made by our many brave fabricated enclosures.” Sources confirmed Netanyahu concluded the solemn ceremony with a 21-gun salute fired directly into a group of Palestinian protesters.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    I did. I just explained. You just explained.

    All these areas were part of the Ottoman Empire but later became independent states.

    What more do you want?
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    Jerusalem was supposed to be a neutral site within Palestine.
     
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    Yea... but those Christians and Jews had other notions....

    Bottomline, Israel was a costly mistake. There’s no good solution left but to tell them good luck and put our resources to better use.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    The two state solution was proposed in order to remedy the skirmishing conflict between Jews and Muslims.

    Maybe it was not perfect, but I don’t see how it justified an invasion of Israel and Palestine by Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

    As it stands right now:

    • About half of Jordan’s population is Palestinian, yet the Palestinians in Israel have more political freedom.
    • The Yazidis have been driven to near extinction by ISIS, yet those original three state invaders are nowhere to be found. The US and Israel have taken a greater initiative.
    • A ruling minority in Syria is conducting a brutal campaign of mass murder against its own population, yet the other two member states are nowhere to be found. It is Israel and the US who have conducted military campaigns against Assad - not Jordan or Egypt.
    When someone tells you that the 1948 invasion was justified, just remember that Jordan occupied the West Bank for 20 years, yet never elected to accede it as a sovereign state. The invaders of 1948 had one clear purpose: to seize and secede land into their own domain.
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    Israel’s border defense is absolutely necessary for its survival. “One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.”
     
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    Geez, I couldn't bring myself to give you a like on this one. It's cold-blooded.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    In fairness, the border wall was actually an innocent and as such more worthy of mourning than those who got killed while attacking it.
     
  17. TheFreak

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    How is this conflict even still going on? I thought Kush was on top of it?
     
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    This's a Kuwaiti commercial for Ramadan that offended some of the Saudi media circle! Zionism must be contagious
     
  19. kingdragon22

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    What's the nonsense about Gaza being a cage?

    They have another border with their brothers in Egypt!

    If the humanitarian condition is so bad, why don't go there instead of only trying the Israeli option?

    They choose to riot only in the border with israel.

    If it was not planned and sponsored by Hamas, who offer money just to create cahos and world outrage towards Israel, than the people of Gaza would try to move out of the saw called cage threw egyept.

    50 of the 60 dead were admitted to be Hamas militants, and 3 more were from Islamic jihad.

    Gaza was a part of Egypt, a part that Egypt didn't want to take back after the peace agreement with israel.

    They only took the sinai peninsula back!

    It's easy to blame Israel, I would like to see how other countries would have reacted to weeks of riots at their borders.
     
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  20. ChrisBosh

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    You obviously have not seen a map or realized the Egypt is another country. Take preschool geography again. The majority of the world calls it a cage.

    Read some history, I know reading is hard for some, but keep trying, you'll get it.

    Maybe you should read the first line of your post again.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/05/17/israel-must-answer-for-the-deaths-in-gaza

    Read and educate yourself, the majority of the world questions Israel's cruel methods.

    Where did you get these numbers from, your head? Again, 90% of all media would call your statement fake news.

    Also, you should do some research on crowd disbursement, its not to difficult to do it without snipers. No excuse when you have the tech Israel does.

    Israel is doing something that Putin and Saddam Hussein would be proud about, enough said.
     
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