Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

NewRoxFan · Mar 6, 2019

tallanvor said: ↑

Are you arguing NBC is lying to get the wall built?
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No, I am saying anyone that tries to present these numbers as a reason for the wall are lying. If not lying, at least trying to mislead with these numbers. dmoney already showed that the number is well below the average in 2008 and years prior. trump himself already bragged about how the numbers under him were lower, and now he is trying to use numbers to get his vanity wall built.

Rather than building his vanity wall, he should focus on hiring more border agents, use technology to patrol wider stretches, and cut down on the magnet by targeting employers hiring illegal aliens. Of course, he have to target himself, his family and friends...

dmoneybangbang · Mar 6, 2019

tallanvor said: ↑

its called seasonality.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
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And February was the “season” to use to garner a nice headline when we are merely at a 2 year high.

tallanvor · Mar 6, 2019

dmoneybangbang said: ↑

And February was the “season” to use to garner a nice headline when we are merely at a 2 year high.
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February is the most recent and therefore relevant data point. To put the newest data point in context, since seasonality is a factor, it would be appropriate to compare to previous Febs.

dmoneybangbang · Mar 6, 2019

tallanvor said: ↑

February is the most recent and therefore relevant data point. To put the newest data point in context, since seasonality is a factor, it would be appropriate to compare to previous Febs.
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I guess the January data point wasn't as "robust".

Like I said, border crossings are at about a two year high per your article.

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

One of the perceived "adults in the room"...

John Kelly differs with Trump on immigration, mum on security clearances

Former White House chief of staff John Kelly said he disagreed with some Trump administration policies — particularly on immigration — but dodged questions Wednesday about the president reportedly intervening to secure top-secret security clearances for his daughter Ivanka Trump and son–in–law, Jared Kushner. Kelly, in an appearance at Duke University, did not deny reports that President Donald Trump circumvented the usual process to grant the security clearances or that he later wrote a memo outlining his concerns about it. He simply said he believes any such conversations with the president would be privileged and that he’s not at liberty to discuss security clearances.
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He didn’t defend Trump’s decision to declare a national emergency to get funding for a border wall and said: “We don’t need a wall from sea to shining sea.”
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Kelly also expressed disagreement with deploying U.S. troops, even National Guard troops, to the border, as Trump did last fall before the midterm elections.
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On the administration’s handling of children at the southern border, he was critical, though he blamed then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions for catching the White House by surprise with the adoption of a “zero tolerance” policy.
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Contrary to Trump’s comments that many immigrants coming to the U.S. border are criminals, Kelly added: “And by the way, they’re overwhelmingly not criminals. They’re people coming up here for economic purposes. I don’t blame them for that.”
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Asked about Trump’s executive order establishing a travel ban just days after taking office — while Kelly was Homeland Security secretary — he said it was a mistake made by inexperienced White House staff who didn’t run the policy through the usual process-gathering process for input from relevant government agencies.
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Kelly also defended the cost of maintaining the NATO alliance, the merits of which Trump has repeatedly questioned. And he took credit for initially organizing a series of briefings that convinced Trump not to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Syria.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...p-immigration-mum-security-clearances-n980326

MojoMan · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

Quintero lost his job at the golf course in January after working there for 18 years, the Post reports, and also lost his job at the hunting retreat.
His firing came shortly after reports that the Trump family relied on undocumented workers for their businesses, even as the President pushes hardline immigration policies and vilifies undocumented immigrants. Quintero's termination came as part of a purge of undocumented workers. In February, the Post reported that the Trump Organization, which is run by Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., had fired at least 18 undocumented workers across five New York and New Jersey golf courses over the previous two months.
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dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

MojoMan said: ↑

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Not an emergency! Nothing to see here people! Move on!

dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan said: ↑

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Trump doesn't ever delegate hiring cooks and maids to hiring managers. I bet he personally oversees it because that is what billionaires do.

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

dachuda86 said: ↑

Trump doesn't ever delegate hiring cooks and maids to hiring managers. I bet he personally oversees it because that is what billionaires do.
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LOL... so, that's a good excuse for hypocritically breaking the law?

dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan said: ↑

LOL... so, that's a good excuse for hypocritically breaking the law?
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Did he knowingly have them working for him? I am actually curious if you can prove that. I will fully agree with you that he is a hypocrite on this if you can show me some background proving he knew.

Actually he is a hypocrite in other ways, but regarding this I am curious if there is evidence on that.

LosPollosHermanos · Mar 7, 2019

MojoMan said: ↑

(The peak of what I’m capable of contributing)
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Not surprising

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

dachuda86 said: ↑

Did he knowingly have them working for him? I am actually curious if you can prove that. I will fully agree with you that he is a hypocrite on this if you can show me some background proving he knew.

Actually he is a hypocrite in other ways, but regarding this I am curious if there is evidence on that.
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Funny how the crimeboss never knows...

Trump and His Company Are No Aliens to Undocumented Workers

They said managers at the club were aware of their true immigration status, and Morales said she believed the president himself must have known she was undocumented.
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A kitchen worker at the Bedminster club who came forward to the Times earlier this month claimed that when the Secret Service had asked for her and other kitchen staffers to submit their names and Social Security number as part of a security check, she anxiously informed someone in human resources that she was undocumented. The HR person told her, “It’s okay. No problem,” and removed her from the Secret Service’s list. She then asked which other employees lacked documents so she could remove them too. None of them lost their jobs.
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Later in the campaign, Trump even bragged that his company had used the federal E-Verify system to confirm that no undocumented workers were involved in the construction of his new hotel in Washington, D.C. But a Post investigation easily confirmed that was not true, as undocumented laborers had in fact worked on the project. Trump and other White House officials have also advocated for mandating the use of E-Verify nationwide, but Trump’s own company seems to have mandated the check only in states where it was legally required. That excluded the clubs in New Jersey and New York, which were also not on the U.S. government’s list of E-Verify participants.
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ny-are-no-aliens-to-undocumented-workers.html

A pipeline of undocumented workers for Donald Trump ran from Costa Rica to N.J.: 'My whole town practically lived there'

The Washington Post spoke with 16 men and women from Costa Rica and other Latin American countries, including six in Santa Teresa de Cajon, who said they were employed at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster. All of them said they worked for Trump without legal status - and that their managers knew.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-undocumented-immigrants-trump-20190208-story.html

Undocumented workers say Trump golf club hired them despite immigration status

Victorina Morales, an undocumented immigrant from Guatemala, has worked at the Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey for five years. She said she used to make his bed and clean the bathrooms. She claims her bosses knew she was not authorized to live in the U.S. but hired her anyway. Morales said a supervisor later gave her money to get a fake green card and Social Security card. CBS News tried to call the supervisor but was not able to reach him.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/undocu...f-club-hired-them-despite-immigration-status/

PRESIDENT TRUMP HIRED UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FOR $4 AN HOUR FOR DEMOLITION PROJECT: COURT DOCS

President Donald Trump hired hundreds of undocumented Polish immigrants to demolish a New York City building in 1980 and paid them as little as $4 an hour without providing proper safety equipment to do the job, court documents show. The workers and their contractor, William Kaszycki of Kaszycki & Sons, sued Trump for unfair labor practices in 1983. After litigation dragged on for 15 years, Trump ultimately paid $1.375 million to settle the case.
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According to court testimonies, Trump took notice of Kaszycki and his crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers when he visited a worksite near Bonwit Teller. “He liked the way the men were working on 57th Street,” Zbignew Goryn, a foreman at the site, testified. “[Trump] said, ‘Those Polish guys are good, hard workers.’” Trump eventually hired Kaszycki for the job and the demolition began in January 1980. Many of the laborers later testified that they would often work 12- to 16-hour shifts without gloves, hard hats or masks. The men had to break concrete floors, rip out electrical wires, cut pipes and work in an area filled with dust and asbestos.
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Trump later testified he did not know “that there were illegal aliens” working at his demolition site, an assertion refuted by Szabo, who said Trump threatened to have the men deported through his lawyer.
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During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump frequently boasted that, while he had been sued many times, he had “never settled.” He also campaigned extensively on calls to hire American workers while cracking down on illegal immigration.
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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-undocumented-immigrants-tower-demolish-724845

dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

So you have a worker saying she thinks he knew.... not evidence. You have have Trump claiming he didn't hire them because of e-verify... not evidence. An HR person who likely wanted to cover it up not taking their names... not evidence. More workers making claims but nothing about Trump... not evidence. The word of one party in a lucrative law suit... not evidence. The fact that Trump settled and claimed he didn't settle. r****ded, but... not evidence.

So you just wasted my time after I asked for evidence. Thanks. You win in that regard, but you lose the argument. Unless you find something concrete. Waiting still. Think you can maybe keep it to one paragraph next time instead of info dumping to hide the fact that you don't actually have something solid?

edwardc · Mar 7, 2019

A real national emergency.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/milita...ny-about-living-conditions-on-military-bases/
But selfish *ss 45 doesn't care about the real emergency.

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

dachuda86 said: ↑

So you have a worker saying she thinks he knew.... not evidence. You have have Trump claiming he didn't hire them because of e-verify... not evidence. An HR person who likely wanted to cover it up not taking their names... not evidence. More workers making claims but nothing about Trump... not evidence. The word of one party in a lucrative law suit... not evidence. The fact that Trump settled and claimed he didn't settle. r****ded, but... not evidence.

So you just wasted my time after I asked for evidence. Thanks. You win in that regard, but you lose the argument. Unless you find something concrete. Waiting still. Think you can maybe keep it to one paragraph next time instead of info dumping to hide the fact that you don't actually have something solid?
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What, you would expect trump to have interviewed them? Again, he was the crimeboss... though someone did say he knew (very possible, since I suspect she interacted with trump, who must have known she was from another country). And you completely ignored the last article. And heck, you even mixed up the whole "trump lied about using e-verify."

You are a trump defender... what else would I have expected...

dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan said: ↑

What, you would expect trump to have interviewed them? Again, he was the crimeboss... though someone did say he knew (very possible, since I suspect she interacted with trump, who must have known she was from another country). And you completely ignored the last article. And heck, you even mixed up the whole "trump lied about using e-verify."

You are a trump defender... what else would I have expected...
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At this point you are just wasting time. You literally just repeated your garbage about some person simply saying they think he must have known. Not evidence. Literally the weakest evidence. Then on top of it, you say I mixed up something when I clearly acknowledged it and just didn't phrase it how you want it said. Tough cookies. Still not evidence.

So you failed to provide evidence and you are just posting crap to waste my time at this point. Also I looked at the last article, which I acknowledged, and it didn't prove anything.

Calling him a crime boss is a bit of a stretch, considering that is used for criminal organizations. Shifty businessmen yes but crimeboss, please. You have Trump derangement syndrome. I routinely critique Trump though, and challenge people regarding him as well. It's called trying to remain unbiased. Something you should try.

The guy is no angel, but to say you just know he went around hiring illegals to save a meager amount is borderline ridiculous when that act is more likely attributed to HR managers trying to save a buck.

NewRoxFan · Mar 7, 2019

dachuda86 said: ↑

I routinely critique Trump though, and challenge people regarding him as well. It's called trying to remain unbiased. Something you should try.
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LOL. I gave trump kudos. Started a whole thread. See... by your definition I am the "unbiased" one...

dachuda86 · Mar 7, 2019

NewRoxFan said: ↑

LOL. I gave trump kudos. Started a whole thread. See... by your definition I am the "unbiased" one...
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I'll give you some credit where it's due lol

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