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Trump: I will obliterate Turkey in my great and unmatched wisdom, USA is great

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    I.D.I.O.T.
     
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    Please be a joke. Some people are great with Photoshop.

    Bueller?...............Bueller?...............Bueller?

    This is real?
     
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    real....

    something tells me his negotiations are not going well
     
  6. jo mama

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    he is a delusional, dangerous imbecile and so is anyone who still supports him.

    further proof of why he needs to be impeached asap.
     
  7. Deckard

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    No mention by Mr trump of the tens thousands of Kurd's (and their families) that Turkey is eager to obliterate. Kurd's that laid down their lives while allied with the US in the fight against ISIS. This does severe damage to our credibility as a country and our foreign policy going forward. Why should any group, any people, agree to ally themselves with the United States when some fool like trump will sell them out on a whim? Our military is as surprised about this decision as the Kurd's are.

    Mr trump is a worthless egomaniac. He is without a clue when it comes to foreign policy or anything else, except selling his name and profiting from the office of the presidency, something forbidden in the document he ignores, our Constitution.

    Nikki Haley says Trump's Syria decision means leaving US allies 'to die'

    By Devan Cole, CNN
    Updated 1742 GMT (0142 HKT) October 7, 2019
    Washington (CNN)

    Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump's former ambassador to the United Nations, issued stinging criticism of her former boss on Monday, saying Trump's decision to remove US troops from northern Syria as Turkey plans a military offensive in the region means the US is leaving Kurdish allies "to die."

    "We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back. The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake. #TurkeyIsNotOurFriend," Haley, who also served as governor of South Carolina, wrote in a tweet.

    Responding to the former ambassador, the Syrian Democratic Forces said in its own tweet that "The world relies on strong #American leaders like (Haley)" and that it hopes "our US partners will reverse this decision & not abandon our combined effort in NE Syria. #TurkeyIsNotOurFriend."

    The White House announced Trump's decision Sunday night following a phone call between Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The move marks a major shift in US foreign policy and effectively gives Turkey the green light to attack US-backed Kurdish forces. The group, long considered as among Washington's most reliable partners in Syria, has played a key strategic role in the campaign against ISIS in the region.

    Haley, who left the administration late last year, is not known for publicly dissenting with the President. In December, after announcing she planned to leave her post, she told NBC she used Trump's "unpredictable" behavior to her advantage in order to "get the job done" as ambassador.

    The President's Syria decision was also slammed by Brett McGurk, the former US envoy for the global coalition to counter ISIS who resigned last year because of Trump's decision to pull US forces out of Syria -- a decision the President later reversed.

    "Donald Trump is not a Commander-in-Chief. He makes impulsive decisions with no knowledge or deliberation. He sends military personnel into harm's way with no backing. He blusters and then leaves our allies exposed when adversaries call his bluff or he confronts a hard phone call," McGurk, who also served in the Obama administration, wrote in a tweet.

    The former diplomat said in another tweet that Trump's decision "demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of anything happening on the ground" and added in a separate tweet that it was "malpractice." "Bottom line: Trump tonight after one call with a foreign leader provided a gift to Russia, Iran, and ISIS," McGurk wrote.

    Republican Sens. Mitt Romney of Utah and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina also sharply criticized Trump's decision, with Romney, who Trump attacked on Twitter last weekend, saying the move "is a betrayal" to the US' Kurdish allies in Syria.

    "It says that America is an unreliable ally; it facilitates ISIS resurgence; and it presages another humanitarian disaster," Romney wrote.

    Graham, who is a steadfast supporter of Trump, said in an interview with Fox News that the decision was "shortsighted and irresponsible," and wrote in a tweet that he would introduce a Senate resolution opposing it if Trump doesn't reverse course.

    Later on Monday Graham tweeted that he and Democrat Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland will introduce bipartisan sanctions to call for Turkey to be suspended from NATO if it attacks Kurdish forces.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/...ld-trump-syria-troops-brett-mcgurk/index.html
     
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  8. RayRay10

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    So...is he saying he destroyed Turkey’s economy before or is he saying that he destroyed someone else’s economy? Sorry, where the parenthesis are have thrown me on this.

    If not, whose economy did he destroy? Is he foreshadowing what he’s doing to our economy...a fictional country...his own businesses when he had to declare bankruptcy?
     
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  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Can someone check with Rubio, he who has unmatched wisdom when deciphering when to take these outbursts seriously?
     
  10. VooDooPope

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    i said it in the other thread but I think it needs to be said again...

    He's a great and unmatched idiot.
     
  11. Ottomaton

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    Caligula wanted a military victory so badly that he took an army all the way to Britian to pick a fight. When his army landed and there was nobody waiting to fight him, he had his army stab the ocean, pick up sea shells as trophies of war and declared his victory over Neptune. He then went back to Rome and held a triumph, which was a big Roman victory parade/celebration, in honor of his great victory over the god of the sea.

    Maybe something like that. He destroyed the economy of Narnia, or Gondor or something.
     
  12. Severe Rockets Fan

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    Wtf? He had to be joking wasn’t he? Anyone who thinks their wisdom is unmatched is not wise.
     
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    He's helping the farm lobby with one mean thanksgiving plug.

    Because I can't imagine there's any good antagonizing a critical NATO ally through a dipshit tweet.
     
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    if you meet the Buddha, kill him
     
  15. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    The dude believes we should live or lives without wants or desires...just to “be” and accept what come and embrace it and accept it. Sorry, not my cup of tea.
     
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    He isn't antagonizing them. They know how weak he is no matter how hard he tweets.
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    Holy shat

    https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-...-trump-got-rolled-turkey-has-no-spine-1463623
    OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

    Donald Trump got "rolled" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a National Security Council source with direct knowledge of the discussions told Newsweek.

    In a scheduled phone call on Sunday afternoon between President Trump and President Erdogan, Trump said he would withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria. The phone call was scheduled after Turkey announced it was planning to invade Syria, and hours after Erdogan reinforced his army units at the Syrian-Turkish border and issued his strongest threat to launch a military incursion, according to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The U.S. withdrawal plays into the hands of the Islamic State group, Damascus and Moscow, and the announcement left Trump's own Defense Department "completely stunned," said Pentagon officials. Turkey, like the United States, wants regime change in Syria. Russia and Iran support the Assad regime.

    "President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

    Newsweek granted the National Security Council official anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. The source said it would not be surprising to see a Turkish incursion in the next 24 to 96 hours.

    Turkey has long considered the Kurdish militia in Syria to be a terrorist insurgency, despite the United States providing military and financial aid to the group in its fight against ISIS, the Islamic State militant group. A battle with the vastly superior military of Turkey, a NATO ally, could drive the Kurds into the arms of Bashar Al-Assad, the Syrian dictator that Washington wants ousted, and by extension into an alliance with Russia and Iran, two U.S. rivals with forces in Syria.

    The White House said late Sunday evening in a statement that Turkey will soon invade northern Syria but both the Defense Department and Trump on Twitter said they made clear to Turkey that they do not endorse a Turkish operation in northern Syria.

    "As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!)," said Trump on Twitter Monday. "They must, with Europe and others, watch over the captured ISIS fighters and families...it is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory."

    According to the NSC official, who had first-hand knowledge of the phone call, Trump did not endorse any Turkish military operation against Kurdish Forces, but also did not threaten economic sanctions during the phone call if Turkey decided to undertake offensive operations.

    In a statement, White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham said, "The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial "Caliphate," will no longer be in the immediate area."

    The New York Times reported Monday that about 100 to 150 American forces would withdraw from northern Syria but not completely from the country. Newsweek confirmed the Times reporting but the National Security Council official said the number was closer to 230 service members, among them U.S. Special Forces and reconnaissance units.

    The Times also reported witnesses observed United States forces withdraw from two observation posts in Tel Abyad and Ein Eissa in northeastern Syria. Newsweek confirmed these on Monday—a senior Defense Department official said American forces are about 90 percent complete with the withdraw as of publication.

    One of the main issues in the phone call between the two world leaders concerned the roughly 2,000 Islamic State militant prisoners being held by the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Defense Forces in northeastern Syria, who the U.S. military assists financially.

    Trump told Erdogan he did not want anything to do with ISIS prisoners despite the United States not currently detaining Islamic State prisoners in Syria. The Syrian Defense Forces control custody of the prisoners.

    Erdogan said Turkey would take custody of the ISIS militant prisoners, according to the White House statement and the National Security Council official Newsweek spoke to for this story.

    "The ISIS prisoners, some of them, will eventually be freed amongst the chaos, and remain in the area or go elsewhere to rejoin the fight," speculated the National Security Council official.

    The White House statement on Sunday also expressed Trump's long-held frustration with how other NATO-allied countries had dealt with captured Islamic State group fighters. The statement singled out "France, Germany and other European nations," for refusing to take back their citizens who had joined the Islamic State militant group.

    U.S. Army General Mark A. Milley, Trump's newly minted chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, is scheduled to meet with the service chiefs this morning to discuss the matter, said National Security Council source.

    The National Security Council official said they could not speak about what Trump's admirals and generals may plan, but said they would not expect anything out of the usual norms as the Defense Department follows orders with or without advanced knowledge.

    If the United States had refused to move out of Turkey's war path, U.S options would not just be the threat of potential conflict between nation-state militaries, it would have been applied pressure on the Turkish economy, according to the National Security Council official.

    However, the United States chose not to stand its ground to protect Kurdish Forces against Turkish airstrikes as a part of Trump's "America First policy" and his historical views that war is bad for business, according to the official.

    On Sunday, Erdogan reinforced his army units at the Syrian-Turkish border hours after he issued his strongest threat to launch Turkish forces over the border and into the "buffer zone," between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

    The buffer zone—sometimes referred to as the peace corridor—was established to prevent another Turkish invasion of northern Syria. The United States had been working to establish a proper demilitarized zone prior to Trump's endorsement of Turkey's military plans.

    If Trump's withdraw of U.S. forces had not occurred, the National Security Council official told Newsweek, the United States could have continued to refine the buffer zone on the Syrian-Turkish border.

    "To be honest with you, it would be better for the United States to support a Kurdish nation across Turkey, Syria and Iraq," said the National Security Council official. "It would be another Israel in the region."

    The current foreign policy debacle is what prompted Trump's former defense secretary, James Mattis, to resign his post after Trump decided to abruptly withdraw American forces from Syria in December 2018. Mattis was the last of the generals touted as the "adults" in the administration—and was an outspoken opponent of a Syrian withdrawal.

    A senior Defense Department official told Newsweek in January no U.S. general was happy with the decision to pull back U.S. troops from Syria as Pentagon officials feared the withdrawal could spark an ISIS resurgence similar to the Taliban's growing influence and territory in Afghanistan.

    A complete withdrawal could also potentially give up a valuable regional position to American military forces that threaten United States interests in the region, including the interests of allies such as Israel and, to some extent, Jordan.

    The National Security Council official compared Turkey to "playground bullies" on Monday.

    "When the bigger guy [United States] moves aside in the playground, they [Turkey] get to beat on the smaller guy [Syrian Defense Forces] and this is not about the U.S. being the world police," the National Security Council source told Newsweek.

    "We are telling the world, we will use you and then throw you away," the official added. "It's not like they don't have a television in Asia, in Africa, and South America."​
     
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    What country would get upset by a single tweet?
     
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    The economy of Narnia comment and the Morey pic you guys are doing the internet proud today, bravo!

    I know it’s been repeated half a million times but can you imagine if Obama or Hillary or any other politician said the words “in my great and unmatched wisdom”? They would be ridiculed to the dogs and back and there would be endless coverage of the narcissistic, elitist, and dangerously mental illness of said politician all over Fox News.

    What’s the spin? He’s just joking again?
     

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