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The Overwhelming Black Issue

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    All high school campuses have been rebuilt in the last 20 years a lot in the last 15

    Do not go here. Its a wealthy disrict
     
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    Who tells you this bs?
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    According to this map, HISD spends more than 33 percent less than the national average per student.
     
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    AMEN to that.

    I am here reading what @rocketsjudoka and @fchowd0311 are writing about how you have to be rich, educated and highly motivated to be an immigrant that guarantees your success and I am literally rolling my eyes out.

    That's only because AMERICA has been getting the cream of the crop when it comes to immigrants from Asia, Europe and Africa.
    It is extremely expensive and difficult to come over across the Atlantic. And after you do,as a non citizen, you are mostly left alone without any government help.

    Whereas here in Europe if you are a Bangladeshi or a Somali or an Afghani you only need to pay and easily get smuggled over to enjoy a life of free education, free healthcare and free benefits. Result noone of these illegals is educated or skilled worker and very few are motivated to contribute to society. IF they were they would have gone off to the US.:rolleyes:
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Its money donator to poorer Texas districts
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    What?
     
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    Tell again trump is touched by god. Man what a troll you are
     
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    Lol this thread is unreal. It’s pretty evident the likes of Fchowd and some others don’t understand that schools are funded by tax dollars and yes, the wealthier neighborhoods pay more taxes to fund their schools. Which in turn makes their schools better and safer.

    Hell, Texas has ISD’s (Independent School Districts for the uneducated in here). Go to places like Chicago where they still actively bus kids from the poorer, less fortunate, whatever you want to call it, neighborhoods. It’s no wonder they have such a gang/violence issue. I know, I moved there in 8th grade and attended two years of HS there before hauling ass back to Houston.

    People live in poverty, all colors and races. There are some that try to provide better for their kids and put the basic fundamentals into their children’s mindset at a young age, and then there are the kids who’s momma or daddy are dead or in prison cause they are dealing drugs, involved in crimes, etc. This isn’t rocket science and anyone who doesn’t understand that is kidding themselves.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    The fact that you think it's fine to accept the status quo that public k-12 education funding should be dependant on local property values rather than each socioeconomic class of citizens receiving the same quality education (the entire purpose of public education, equal opportunity) says a lot about the paradigm you live in.
     
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    Thank you Mr. Socialist for your input. Please get educated on American values, why people move here, and what makes America a FREE country that isn’t controlled by government. Then you may understand that people have to get off their ass to do better. Some people are lucky, some are not. Life isn’t fair, but nobody is going to better themselves sitting on their ass waiting for the government to pay their bills using the hard working populations tax dollars.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Dude Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave now hearing this from Americans. Do you have any idea how important public education was for Jefferson and other founders?

    Every child deserves equal access to the same quality education in the wealthiest country on the planet. Call me a socialist but you are going to have to call Jefferson one also if you are basing it on the fact that I think every child deserves access the the same high quality education.
     
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    LOL what a joke. What makes swimming cycling and other sports more important than basketball and football?
     
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    Come on man, you honestly don’t think I don’t know that? I am educating you on how it is, because you clearly don’t know. You’re mindset is indeed socialist. Which means the government handles every aspect (school, medical, your money, your salary cap, etc.).

    I agree everyone should have a fair chance of education, but your delusional to think that’s actually possible with the way people act today. States/cities have a curriculum don’t they? It’s a “standard”. If people would stop asking teachers to take care of their kids it would probably be a better place than it is today. More people would rather watch YouTube than do homework.

    It starts with the parents of our society. This is the fundamental problem. Think outside the box and stop asking for the government to handle every social injustice or to fix lazy people. It isn’t gonna happen. Just so you know, the Democratic Party plays a HUGE role in the inner city education system, in every single largely populated city. If these democrats would stop funding their own personal interests and put it into the education of the less fortunate kids then everyone would have a fair chance per se.

    To put it in your words, I’d be willing to bet Thomas Jefferson has been rolling over in grave for the last 50 years watching the inner city population get ripped off and pushed into more poverty. Think about it.
     
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    This is wrong, but it makes sense that you would believe this. In your utopia, there would be no cultures, no families, no communities, no differences, no God, no law, no order, no parents.

    Why do extreme liberals like yourself attack the intelligence of those who disagree with them? Y'all always like, you can't see it my way because you're just not smart enough. This move is directly from the Max Kellermam playbook.

    Do you think the parents are destined to make bad decisions for the rest of their lives? The children, too? Rocky Balboa said we could all change. He said that to a bunch of communists.

    Not the oppression itself, but the excessive and unnecessary focus on that oppression is having a detrimental effect on Black people.
     
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    I'm having a similar debate on another forum with a friend who is a successful black architect. His belief is that the deck is overwhelmingly stacked against blacks in America and is even going so far as to say that Asian success is an intentional creation of the American power structure to make white people feel better. I don't buy that but he does have a point when as a successful black professional he still get's pulled over by LEO and treated with more suspicion than white or Asian counterparts.

    I certainly believe in personal agency but you would have to be willfully blind not to see how history doesn't shape the advantages that people from different backgrounds have. Growing up in the Third Ward versus growing up in West U while only a few miles apart are vastly different. It's certainly possible to escape poverty if you grew up in the Third Ward but it's not easy.

    My point is that simplistic arguments that there is no such thing as personal agency or that all that matters is personal agency are inherently flawed. Part of why I keep on bringing up George Floyd's life versus my own is understanding why two people who have similarities in age and geography ended up with very different outcomes. It's easy to say that George Floyd made some very bad decisions in his life while I made some good ones. What were the conditions that led to those decisions? If I were in the same place as George Floyd would i have made the same decisions? If George Floyd had been given the opportunities that I had would he make the same decisions as me?
     
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    I don't know enough about Greece or EU immigration policies so I can't comment too much. Given that your countries have much greater social safety nets than the US it is true that everyone including immigrants will get more government aid than the in the US but I don't think it's true that immigrants to the US are just left alone without any government help. As stated groups like the Hmong, Somailis and other refugees have gotten a lot of aid. While my family weren't refugees and came here because we met stringent requirements I'm not going to claim we got no aid. I went to mostly public schools and both my degrees are from public universities.
     
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    Except how did some neighborhoods get wealthy while others are poor? Is it just a coincidence that the Third Ward is one of the poorest neighborhoods in the US and happens to be mostly black?

    I don't know what the state of Houston schools are now but there was bussing when I was growing up in the 80's. At Lamar High School (which under segregation was a white high school) there were students from the Third ward that were bussed there. Not all of them succeeded but there were a few who did and went to very good schools. At the time Lamar was the flagship of HISD with an outstanding IB program.
     
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    He's wrong. Asian success is due to Asians recognizing that this is not their land and that in order for them to be successful they have to trust and support each other.

    When I was growing up, I used to visit my cousins in Houston. They lived in apartments and were one of the few Mexican families that stayed in those apartments. I forget the name of the neighborhood, but they lived on Fleming and would go on to go to Furr Highschool. Every business in their neighborhood was Asian owned. The corner store, laundromat, 99 cent store, donut shop, Chinese restaurant, all of them owned by Asians. Years later, I dated a Vietnamese girl from Sugar Land or Stafford, somewhere down there. When we would go out to eat in her neighborhood, I noticed that every business was Asian owned. According to her, businesses owned by other people would never ever survive in her neighborhood.

    So, why would Black people allow Asians to take their money out of their community when Asians would not allow the same in theirs? For me, they allow it because they lack a strong culture. You? I'm sure you'll find a way to connect it to centuries-old injustices.

    That's to be expected. Black men do attract a lot of attention, and admiration, and jealousy, and suspicion, and hate, you name it, they attract it. Sometimes that attention is positive, see sports and entertainment, and sometimes, negative, see the criminal justice system, see what happens to your friend.

    There are many more injustices in America's justice system, especially towards Black men. This is why I advocate for more Blacks to get involved in the criminal justice system. The idea is that no one will treat you more fairly, than your own people. But when you lack a strong culture, it's almost as if no one will treat you worse than your own people.

    It's not easy, not one bit, but the process is simple.

    And all of these overly complicated, grandiose arguments are a waste of time. Heck, they are probably designed to be a waste of time. None of them start at step one of reality. They are presented as instructions to assemble a dresser, but when you open them up, they're on step 8 of building a Penrose staircase.

    The conditions that led to George Floyd's decisions started with him growing up without a father, hanging around others who also grew up without fathers, and never becoming a man because he was never taught how to be one. The conditions that led to your decisions started with you growing up with a father, hanging around others who also grew up with fathers, and being taught and shown how to become a man. Everything begins and ends with the man and the culture he is supposed to bring.
     
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    A large portion of Asian immigrants that come here came here with some amount of wealth to invest in a small business or high level skillset to work a high salary profession. The US is restrictive of who can come from Asian countries. You need to have some worth to come here minus some lotto candidates and refugees which makes small portion of Asian immigration. So again, you are comparing a population that went through a selection filter to a general population that comes from a lineage of slaves and oppresed.

    It's sad that so much of the white nationalist infatuation with Asians and the stereotype of Asian success is due to their perception of just interacting with Asian immigrants in the US who were selectively chosen to come here.

    You again don't understand that "culture" is nothing more than a group of people experiencing the same socioeconomic conditions expressing themselves due to the limitations or advantages the conditions that surround them.

    None of your "solutions" have tangible actionable methods. You want to lecture Black people about their bad culture? You want to "advocate" for them to be more involved in the criminal justice system? What does that even mean? You think lawyers are just shitted out? You think it might be a bit harder to be in a path that sends you to law school when you were raised in the most important years of your congitive development with **** education infrustrcture and a unstable home? You think it might be a little bit more hard to join law enforcement when you have a felony at 14?

    You obviously haven't thought of these issues with any amount of sincere intellectual curiosity.
     
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