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The Overwhelming Black Issue

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    I think your perspective is important in this conversation. Asian immigrants have a certain stereotype and that stereotype (smart and driven) is used to put down Black communties often and explaining your perspective shows why that argument is wrong and dangerous.
     
  2. glynch

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    Interesting factoid. An African American with a 4 yr college degree is 15 x's less likely to be incarcerated than a White high school drop out.
     
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    The story is not much different with regards to latin immigration. Some countries we're getting the poorest while from other countries we're getting those that were educated so it's no surprise that some adapt faster than others.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Yes wealth is a bigger factor today than race however race set the conditions for who has wealth and who doesn't today.

    Now well off black people still get harrased and treated differently in many places still. They get followed around in department stores, cops pull them over often because "Black man in a Mercedes" so on and so forth.
     
  5. JumpMan

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    What I am comparing are the choices people are making today.

    The only variables I am concerned about are contemporary.

    You think current outcomes are predicated on centuries worth of history. I believe it is about the daily choices people make. I disagree with you and only intend to state my case, not change your mind or any other mind. It is okay to think differently.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    The choices made today are influenced by history. Causality.

    The choices you make are heavily dependent on the environment you were raised in. If you were born and raised in the suburbs and your parents never seriously having issues making ends meet, what incentives would you have to join the illegal drug trade? Does a child born in project housing with **** quality k-13 education, a single mother who needs to work 50+ hours a week to keep their heads above water have more incentive to join the illegal drug trade than a child born in the suburbs?
     
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  7. El_Conquistador

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    BINGO! GLynch - that's exactly where we need to be focused to turn around things in the African American community. Instead of accusing everyone else of being racist, we need an intense focus on education/training and family values (2-parent families, investing in youth) in the African American community. This can help them prosper, which is the goal.
     
  8. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    You don't lecture people into 2 parent families. You have to create an environment were children can be raised into mostly healthy stable adults who would become good parents who most likely would be involved in a 2 parent household.


    Can you tell me EXPLICTLY what should be done to lessen the plight of single mothers in the Black community? If all you have is "lecture them" that really isn't an answer.
     
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    Sure. It's easy.
    1. Church - emphasize religion in the black community. Teach them that relationships are intended to be a mutually sacrificial endeavor to lift up the other person/people in the family. Relationships are not intended to be selfish and consumer-based, where it's all about "getting yours".
    2. Media - Crack down on the horrific "status symbols" of black music and movies - drugs, pimps, ho's, gun violence, gangs, etc. Lead an effort to demonize these behaviors. Promote successful role models via media. Lift up role models who are good influences. Snoop Dogg and Tupac are horrific role models for youth.
    3. Education - Teach the children and teach the parents how much more successful two-parent families are. Teach the parents the importance of saving money for school and investing time in their children's education at home.
    4. Fund after-school programs, Pre-K programs, sports programs. Don't overdo the sports emphasis, though, except for lifetime sports (swimming, cycling, golf, skiing, etc. Not basketball/football).
    Again, the goal is prosperity and safe communities.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    So basically normative glorified PSA announcements. You know why D.A.R.E failed horribly? Because it took your approach of lecturing rather than trying to figure out the root causes for drug abuse.

    Turns out that people turn to drugs not because they weren't properly lectured about how bad they are but rather they were so down in their life they thought it was one of the only few avenues to feel good.

    Same applies with single parent households. Single parent households are a symptom of our criminal justice system and wealth inequality. Young teens get put through the criminal justice system with minor offenses and then have to live a life of untaxable income such as the illegal drug trade(gangs) because it's pretty difficult to get honest work that is above min wage when you have to say you are a felon which creates a life in and out of prison hence single parent households being a plight in the African American community.

    You create great parents by having those future parents have stable environments from ages 0-10, the most important ages for cognitive development that determines the most whether or or not you will be a mentally healthy stable productive adult which usually correlates to being better parents.
     
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  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Wow @Trader_Jorge just agreed with @glynch

    One of the frustrating thing about current race politics is a bunch of blacks who have made good decisions refuse to admit that the cycle of poverty is somewhat fueled by disfunction

    Its not just about education, you cant make a lot of poor black kids understand how much money trades people make. Even more frustrating is everyone including poor blacks understand how much money some skilled labor jobs provide. They understand their mistakes yet and pass on disfunction.

    The first thing kids have to learn is the value of a good stable job. Poor black kids see poverty, athletes, and celebrities. They do see teachers but feel its out of reach because they've already given up on education

    Never understanding long term stories of middle class wealth building is a major problem for black kids. They dont see getting up going to work everyday and building. They see momma going to work everyday to somewhere she hates only to get lights turned off
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    You still don't get it. Children care about education and their future proffesional prospects when the conditions around them allow it. This is a general statement that might have outlier examples but this generally applied to most humans minus the exceptional. Everyone cannot be exceptional.

    Why do you ademently insinst that culture is a root problem rather than just a symptom of the conditions people experience?

    To me culture is nothing more than a group of people experiencing the same socioeconomic conditions and expressing themselves based in those conditions. That's all culture is. Culture is nothing more than a product of the environment.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    How are black kids prospects not allowed?HISD spends a lot a ****in money on its schools.


    ITS NOT HISD'S JOB TO FIX ATTITUDES
     
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  14. fchowd0311

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    @Trader_Jorge is speaking out of two assholes. He'll say education is important and still call any increased spending socialism. He doesn't care. He perceives himself as a entertainer hence of prefaces he usually has.
     
  15. JumpMan

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    I disagree.

    And the environment you are raised in is 100% dependent on choices your parents made and make daily.

    Not many. Good job by the parents. They made many choices that led to them providing that type of environment for their children. Still, if the parents are struggling economically, but still provide strong examples to their children, their children will likely turn out fine.

    Tell that to the teachers who work in those schools. Most of them pour their heart and soul into teaching and work their ass off. The building, the resources, and things like that are just that, things. What ultimately makes the school is the people that populate it. Most of the people in those schools are students.

    Children often have to pay for the sins of their parents. Sad but true.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @fchowd0311

    Its not, not willing to learn a trade. Its thinking a trade is bullsit because all you know is Jay-Z and Lebron
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    There is a literal 23 billion dollar funding gap between majority PoC schools and White majority schools even when taking into account population differences.

    Minority communties especially poor black communties don't get near the same amount of funding per student and that is primarily due to k-12 education funding being dependant almost entirely on local property values and taxes.

    Kids with less means with parents that have to work extended hours, live pay check to paycheck, have internet one month and not the next etc etc make them have more burdens than children born in the suburbs or well off neighborhoods. Poor children often have more burdens as their single parent or parents have to work significanltly more and daycare is expensive as **** so older siblings often have to help raise their younger sibling. All these things suburban kids have to deal with significanltly less.

    There are other examples of kids in poor communties having more burdens. Black kids in the projects often have their entire future ****ed because they got a drug possession felony or a felony for selling weed.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    ^^^
    A Masterpiece Post. I've read this post a few times now, and am very impressed by it. All politicians at every level should read it. Everyone who put a black square on their Insta feed and felt like they did their civic duty should read this.
     
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  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    ***** please you work for UPS

    Anyobe remember that Biz Markie line? Anyone know how you UPS drivers make?
     
  20. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Okay so you have some cognanrice issues here were you can't go beyond the scope of one generation. You admit that parents are responsbile for how their children turnout yet you cannot traps those children that were raised poorly are also going to be parents. And yet you cannot figure out how 300 years of oppression has no effect on the predicament of black poverty today?
     

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