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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    Lets see:
    New border technology-> does not exist

    Time limit backstop-> breaks the GFA

    Unilateral exit mechanism-> breaks the GFA

    That should be a short conversation.
    Uk: Please help us break a UN treaty.
    EU: No.
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    So it appears the leaders of the EU are entering full meltdown mode, as EU Commission President publicly states that there is a "a special place in hell" for those who backed Brexit:

    I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted #Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely.

    — Donald Tusk (@eucopresident) February 6, 2019
     
  3. No Worries

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    FIFY.
     
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  4. malakas

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    Tusk shouldn't make statements like this. No EU leader should. Keep your mouth shut.
    The British media for over 25 years have been blaming the EU for every problem they had. It was like their evil boogieman.
    Now the Torries are trying to scapegoat them again for the problems they have created.

    Shut your mouth and don't give them the pleasure to blame you. Let them deal with their own disaster and destroy themselves.
    We have nothing to do with each other anymore.
     
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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Its the lack of plan by Brexiters that is the issue. It was nothing but emotion and nostalgia that won Brexit.

    Like I said... Brexiters are the dog that caught the mail truck.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    I get it, but Tusk is just speaking the truth... and sometimes the truth hurts.
     
  7. malakas

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    You don't engage with populists like that.
    They don't care for the truth.
    The truth is staring in their face, no matter what words anyone uses it is useless, especially antagonising statements.

    Look there have already been responses:


    There are people in the UK saying "Well I know we won't have anything to eat and we all will become poorer, but I don't care. Leave means Leave"

    Let them destroy themselves.
    It has nothing to do with us , except that we will be taking 1/3 of their business who are leaving the country.

    Just wish them good luck and goodbye. Don't give them excuses to put the blame on the boogieman.
     
  8. MojoMan

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    So the deal talks that Junker and the EU said could not be reopened, have been reopened. But reading between the lines, both sides appear to be dug in. This seems to be a photo op to show everyone that they are still trying more than any substantial progress towards reaching a deal UK and

    EU locked in Brexit stalemate after May and Juncker refuse to budge in crunch talks


    The UK will leave the bloc on March 29 as planned after “negotiating hard” to fight for legally binding changes to the Brexit deal, the Prime Minister said. Speaking to reporters briefly this afternoon, Mrs May said she saw and heard a desire from European Union leaders to ensure Britain leaves with a deal. She acknowledged securing legally binding changes to the deal would be difficult but said she had agreed with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker that talks could now reopen.​

    Meanwhile, if anyone thought the raging temper tantrums and the hyerbole from EU leaders had crescendoed with Donald Tusk's assertion yesterday that 'there is a special place in hell reserved for Brexit supporters,' they were wrong. Guy Verhofstadt, the EU Parliament's representative in Brexit negotiations, is now insisting that Brexiters are so deplorable that they would be denied entry to hell by Lucifer himself:

    ‘Lucifer wouldn’t welcome them!’ Now Verhofstadt MOCKS UK as EU mask slips


    Guy Verhofstadt, who serves as the European Parliament’s representative in Brexit negotiations, has said the devil himself would turn Brexiters away from the gates of the underworld for fear they would “divide hell” too. Referring to European Council President Donald Tusk’s earlier remarks that there is a “special place in hell” for Brexiteers who campaigned to leave without a plan, Mr Verhofstadt said: “Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell.” Earlier today Donald Tusk was accused of "showing contempt" for the millions of British people who voted Brexit with his inflammatory remarks.​

    You really cannot make this stuff up. Of course I could be wrong, but SURELY this has to be the climax of these outbursts. Surely it is not possible for the EU leaders to descend any further than they currently have.

    It isn't, is it?
     
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    49 days left . :D:D:D:D Doesn't even have a ferry company for one of the three main ports.

    Also Japan is playing hardball, as expected.
    They along with most countries will try to squeeze the Uk with bad trade deals.
    I can't blame them.
    If you see such incompetent political leadership and low level negotiating skills there is no reason not to take advantage of them.
     
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    Wow their Defence secretary is a total wacko.

    "He put forward the idea of mounting guns on tractors as makeshift mobile missile launchers, and buying secondhand ferries to convert them to beach assault craft. A source told the Sun: “The man is out of his mind. No one knows what to do.”

    He even tried to launch his own set of medals for gallantry, apparently oblivious to the fact that only the Queen can approve such honours.

    To the incredulity of his staff, Williamson was at it again before Christmas when he proposed firing paintballs to deter Spanish ships from trespassing in Gibraltar’s waters. During a regular Ministry of Defence meeting with senior armed forces staff, he suggested that Gibraltarians could be armed with paintball guns to fire at passing Spanish ships to scare them off."

    :eek::D:D:D
     
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    Theresa May 'to quit as British prime minister in the summer in bid to stop Boris Johnson getting the job'

    Theresa May is preparing to resign as British prime minister this summer so she can influence who succeeds her, Cabinet ministers now believe. Under the suspected plan, May would call time on her Premiership shortly after finally delivering Brexit. She will then set out a timetable for a new Tory leadership contest to end at the party’s annual conference in October.

    {More at the link}
     
  13. MojoMan

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    This looks right to me. From the UK Guardian:

    EU officials: UK only 'pretending to negotiate' over Brexit impasse

    The British government is “pretending to negotiate” with the European Union and has not presented any new proposals to break the Brexit deadlock, according to EU officials. Theresa May’s de-facto deputy, David Lidington, and the Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, met senior EU officials and MEPs in Brussels and Strasbourg this week, but the talks yielded no obvious results.​

    Tick tock.
     
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  14. MojoMan

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    Theresa May says no deal is "more likely" after her latest proposal was defeated in the House of Commons today. Wouldn't you know it, everything she does seems to be making no deal more likely. It is almost as if that is what she is shooting for at this point. Hmmm.

    Theresa May says no deal 'more likely' after Tory truce is shattered by Commons defeat

    Theresa May has said a no-deal Brexit is “more likely” after Tory Eurosceptics condemned her to another humiliating Commons defeat.

    The brief Tory truce over Brexit was shattered as 66 Conservatives - including Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab - abstained in a vote over the Government’s way forward, which Mrs May lost by 303 votes to 258.​
     
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    One side will be right, either it is ok for the Brits or it is not, should be fun to watch, let the facts speak for themselves.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    The UK and the US today announced a trade deal to preserve their trading arrangements on terms roughly similar to what the US currently has with the EU. This is not a "Free Trade Agreement," which President Trump announced he was looking forward to negotiating in the weeks and months to come.

    Brexit: UK-US agree to preserve trading arrangements

    The UK has struck a deal with the US to preserve £12.8bn of trade after Brexit. The mutual recognition agreement replicates the current deal between the EU and US on technical standards for exported goods.
    US President Donald Trump said the "very good trading relationship" between the countries had been "strengthened further".

    And International Trade Secretary Liam Fox said it would allow firms to "keep trading as freely as they do today". Earlier this week, Mr Fox came under fire for failing to ensure businesses trading overseas would be unaffected if the UK left the EU without a deal. In that scenario, British companies would no longer be able to trade on the preferential terms the EU has agreed with about 70 countries.

    The government said it wants to replicate these agreements "as far as possible". But Labour's international trade spokesman, Barry Gardiner, told MPs that "precisely four" free trade deals had been signed, despite a promise that 40 would be ready immediately after Brexit. Mr Gardiner said he understood talks on 19 other deals were "significantly off track" and that "two are not even being negotiated".

    The UK-US agreement is not a free trade deal - which can relax trading rules, reduce taxes (tariffs) on imports and exports, and grant easier market access.​

    The UK has also signed similar agreements with Australia and New Zealand and is expected to sign quite a few more of these sorts of deals before the formal day of Brexit.

    For those of you who were wondering what these sorts of transitional, interim trade agreements might look like, here you go.
     
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    And with this news, it is obvious that this entire process has the entire UK going bonkers. Here Rachel Johnson - the sister of possible future UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson - who is a journalist in the UK has taken off her top live on a Sky News cable news program so that she can be confident everyone will take note and remember what she is saying.

    British Journalist Goes Topless So People Will Remember Her Brexit Comments

    On Thursday, British journalist and Brexit supporter Rachel Johnson took off her top during an appearance on “The Pledge,” a debate show on Sky News.

    “As I know, it can be hard to get your voice heard when talking about Brexit nowadays. It feels like we have hit saturation point,” said Johnson, the sister of former London Mayor Boris Johnson. She then discussed Victoria Bateman, a Cambridge academic who has been appearing nude to highlight the idea that, in her words, “Brexit leaves Britain naked.”

    “Enter pro-EU campaigner Victoria Bateman who’s come up with a striking way this week to get herself noticed,” Rachel Johnson said, according to Cambridge News Live. “Appearing across the media completely starkers to make various points about Brexit — leaving Britain naked. So in tribute ... I’ve decided to follow suit — every time we decide to talk about Brexit just to make sure I get noticed around this table.”

    As the clip below shows, she made an impression on her fellow panelists.​

    Boris Johnson's sister behaving like this. What must the queen think of this sort of behavior? Surely, she is not amused.
     
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  18. malakas

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    they have lost it.:D

    This is the important news :
    Labour and Tory MPs in talks over setting up new centrist party
    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...se-talks-setting-up-new-centrist-party-labour

    May clearly right now chose to unite her party over Brexit with deal.
    However the ERG aka the ultra hard Brexiters, didn't care and stabbed her in the back anyway.
    This alieniated even more the centrists MPs.

    Imo since both May and Corbyn are useless it's very likely both Labour and the Torries will be broken in pieces.
     
  19. Commodore

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    The ERG reaffirmed that no-deal was an option instead of a bad deal, something May has always said and something that was in the party manifesto.

    Negotiation 101 is always be willing to walk away. The idea that that option would be removed is criminally incompetent.
     
  20. malakas

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    bullcrap. what negotiating? What deal?:D
    LOL
    There are no open talks. There are zero new propositions to negotiate.
    The ERG are simply holding the whole country hostage because they want a no deal.
    This has been their aim from the start and all the rest are lies. Heck even they admit it themselves that this is what they want.

    But this is May's fault because she chose them over the rest of the party.
    Now the centrist Torries want to kick them out and let them join UKIP.
     

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