When it comes down to it, the "whole union" doesn't want a problem with the UK over a freeloading country such as Ireland. I know this might be a sensitive issue for you, but it is what it is.
Noone wants terrorism. Thats why both sides dont desire a hard border and the backstop is the only viable solution. I know this might be a sensitive issue for you, but it is what it is. As for the EU bending over backwards to accomodate little Englands megalomaniac ideas its not happening. In fact lets see if the UK will manage to keep northern ireland if they continue ignoring these problems. More than half the population not only have double nationalities but also an irish conscience. Thats why their other big party the SNP is now in the irish parliament instead of the Westminster. Its not like Northern Ireland is full of english. They are full of british citizens most of whom are irish. And guess what? Along with Scotland, northern ireland voted overwhelmingly to stay. Werent you blabbering on for the right of democracy and the power of referedums? So how come a nation doesnt have the right to determine its future because of what another nation wants?
Well, you sort of seem to..... I never suggested that a nation not have the right to determine their future, that's what you are fighting against, not me. I fully understand why a little country like Ireland would want to be in the EU given that they struggle to make it by themselves and I don't blame them for sacrificing their sovereignty to the EU for financial benefit.....what doesn't make sense is for countries that can make it on their own to stay in the EU where it's a net drain on their country AND the undemocratic superstate is attempting to relegate nations to the status of individual states in the US. That makes no sense whatsoever. It's fine for pissant countries like Lithuania, Greece, or Ireland, but there's just not much reason why England or France would want to be Germany's b**** like that.
Bobby is a genuine sociopath. I do not say that to disparage him, as like anything else, there are pro and con traits. One trait sociopaths are low on is empathy. To Bobby, empathy is a weakness to exploit. Now the good side is that it makes Bobby very much a bottom line kind of thinker. Sentimentality only holds people back. To a sociopath everyone acts rational and in their cold blooded interest every damn time. The negative or con is that it also makes him blinded by his own arrogance at times. Again we all have our flaws. So either you understand how Bobby sees the world and take that into consideration or you don’t have a discussion with him. I promise you that he will not change his mind but also that he means nothing he says to be personal.
Now I am a peasant? Hahahaha Well peasant I may be but I dont want terrorism. Saying it WILL happen doesnt mean I want it to. You said England wants to leave. But the UK isnt England. The UK is four nations and countries under one queen. Northern Ireland isnt the same nation as England. Why after they voted clearly in the referendum to remain the UK is forcing to take the nation out of the eu against its will endangering a seamless border which is a prequisite for peace and protected by a legally binding international agreement they have signed as guarantor? And whose fault is it? The EU or Ireland are at fault for the UK breaking their promises and inciting terrorism? The Backstop was a solution first proposed by May and it was her who insisted that it not only applies to NI but to the whole of the UK. The EU was fine with the backstop ending in the irish sea. Anyway, the EU will never ever give in to the new brilliant idea the Torries have of no backstop. Its either a backstop with peace or no deal and terrorism.
Well I dont take it personally. I am amused when someone stoops to the level of insulting the others nation and country to win an argument and discredit an opinion. It shows an inferiority complex.
For the same reason why California, Texas, and New York are strong in their own right but stronger as the US. Really you are arguing against the concept of the United States.
Two years ago the British Government went to Brussels to negotiate a deal. The PM put down her red lines of no custom union and free movement and SHE suggested an Irish Backstop to preserve the GFA. She requested that the backstop includes all of the UK. After she told the EU what she wanted and after negotiations, then the EU27 voted on it and passed it awaiting for the British Parliament to pass it. Today only 2 months until Brexit, May decides that she does not want the backstop she suggested and painfully negotiated and demands to reopen the agreement talks that all the 27 countries have voted on, from the beginning like these 2 years never existed. Like the Backstop was something the EU came up with to bully the UK. She does not even make a single alternative suggestion to the Irish Backstop. The EU before even May passes her bill will release a statement saying Heck NO. Negotiations are over. Instead of chasing unicorns why doesnt the UK prepare for no deal Brexit? The EU should charge the UK for pointlessly wasting their time.
That is actually a sensible question. At this point, there will either be a Brexit with no deal, or there will be no Brexit. Theresa May appears to me to know this and is trying to navigate a rather rocky road to a no deal Brexit. What I believe we are seeing is her trying to publicly go through the motions of working through every possible option, with as much diligence as possible - while simultaneously trying to run out the clock. The votes today are apparently not binding. But the voice of Parliament will be heard. So what happens today and over the next few days may will be decisive. Also, they have been actively preparing for a no deal Brexit for some time now.
You have the patience of Job to be able to interact with "ignored member" in such an extended encounter. If you ever make it to the US I would love to buy you lunch.
Her no.1 priority is not a Brexit or her countrys wellbeing. Her priority is to save the Torry party from breaking up. She is uniting them now to ask for vague things they already know for months are no negotiable. Its only 2 months till the end. They want to come back to the table, without a single new suggestion. Well they will be denied. Maybe its a good PR game to show that no deal Brexit was enforced by the EU bullying them, instead of their own fault. They haven prepared at all. Even the ministers admit that until last summer they only did prefunctional preparations because they didnt believe no deal is coming. They gave a 14mil commision to a ferry company that doesnt own any ships and had a term of use based on pizza delivery. They only started stacking up medicines the last months and are out of warehouses. There is zero plan for policing if there is civil disorder and zero plan for guarding the hard border. The most important, while they were in the EU they adopted hundreds of laws and regulations pertaining to every aspect of life that as soon they exit, these laws will become void and will have to be adopted|ammended and passed again from scratch. The british parliament isnt able to agree on which side the sun rises and now in two months they have to pass hundreds of laws? They havent even begun yet. Forget trade deals.
Thanks haha if you ever make it to Greece I would also love to meet you up. Its impossible to find a Rockets fan in real life over here.
The UK Parliament has finished voting on the seven Brexit amendments chosen for consideration by UK Speaker of Parliament John Bercow. The first five amendments, which either advocated Parliament taking over the Brexit process from the government or offered different ways to block a no-deal Brexit, failed to pass. The sixth amendment, the Caroline Spelman Brexit Amendment, which here in the US we would characterize as a non-binding Parliamentary resolution opposing a no-deal Brexit, passed 318-310. Caroline Spelman’s Brexit amendment passes Caroline Spelman’s Brexit amendment – that says Britain should not leave the EU without a deal – has passed in the Commons tonight. The amendment – which passed by 318 votes to 310 – displays Parliamentary opposition to a no deal exit, but it is purely advisory and has no legislative force. This means the amendment is not binding on the government. Despite this, the defeat demonstrates the possibility that, as the end of March approaches, parliamentary opposition to no deal could prove enough to prevent Britain crashing out of the EU. The final amendment, Sir Graham's Irish Backstop Replacement Amendment, passed 317-301. Brexit live: MPs support amendment calling for backstop to be replaced Theresa May made a plea to MPs to give her a “mandate” to reopen negotiations with Brussels by backing a proposal from Tory grandee Sir Graham Brady – as the Commons held seven votes designed to both help and hinder the Prime Minister’s Brexit plans. Sir Graham’s amendment calls for the controversial backstop to be replaced by “alternative arrangements” to keep the Irish border open after Brexit. But Mrs May’s hopes of reopening the Withdrawal Agreement struck with the EU last November were dealt a blow by French President Emmanuel Macron, who described it as “not renegotiable”. This Amendment also will require the approval of the EU, which they have repeatedly and consistently stated they cannot and will not do. Also, it is not entirely clear exactly what the "Alternative arrangements" consist of. So this appears to provide Theresa May the authority to negotiate alternative arrangements with the EU, even though they have stated repeatedly that they are not open to revisiting the current agreement in any way, and especially not in this way. The Parliament then voted on PM May's previous deal, which had previously been voted down by a 2-1 margin, amended by these two passed amendments, and passed it by acclamation, without a counted vote. PM Theresa May spoke after the vote and thanked the Parliament for approving her plan, with the approved amendments, and indicated she would contact the EU to reopen negotiations of the Brexit agreement, in order to consider the proposed changes, which from the EU's perspective, means renegotiating the Irish backstop. Theresa May went on to make clear that the Parliamentary resolution against a no-deal Brexit would not be enough to stop that from occurring. She made clear that the UK would be leaving with a deal or without one and that "Simply opposing no deal is not enough to stop it." So the it is now up to the EU what happens next, if anything.
The BBC is covering these developments like this: Brexit: MPs back May's bid to change deal The proposal - put forward by Tory MP Sir Graham Brady - had the support of the government and won by 16 votes. Theresa May had urged MPs to vote in favour of it to give her a mandate to return to Brussels and re-open negotiations in order to secure a "legally binding change". MPs earlier voted to reject a no-deal Brexit, but the vote was not binding, meaning the date for exit remains 29 March. Speaking after the result, President of the European Council Donald Tusk said the withdrawal deal is "not open for re-negotiation" and "remains the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union". He said the EU would be willing to look at the political declaration again - the part of the deal that makes a pledge on the future relationship between the UK and the EU - and that the EU would "stand ready" to consider any "reasoned request" for an extension to the leave date of 29 March. {More at the link} So it appears that unless the EU changes its mind, that the UK is on track to exit the EU on March 29, 2019, with no deal.
As the SNP leader said immediately after the voting the Brady ammendment that refuses the backstop in effect terminates the Good Friday Agreement. The DUP ( who have always hated the GFA and fighted against it) denied it. But you see they want to think the responsibility of upholding it its the EUs and Irelands so they should be the ones to bend over backwards to preserve peace and avoid the hard border, while its the UK who violates a UN sactioned legally binding peace treaty. In the end in which soil were the most bombings and deaths happening? In occupied Northern Ireland. Which country is in danger of fracturing? The UK. They still think Ireland as their slaves pretty much.
Well, if the EU is telling the truth, they will be unwilling to renegotiate the deal, which means there will be no backstop and therefore the two countries will have to work out their trade arrangements between them. Of course the EU could stand down, but it does not sound like they are going to do that. Which means a no deal Brexit, with WTO trade terms, and whatever custom arrangements that each side chooses to impose on incoming and outgoing goods. Until there is a more permanent arrangement. This does appear to be what is best for everyone overall at this point, even though the globalist establishment types are not going to like it.
It is absolutely NOT best for everyone to break a hard established peace. The peace on the islands has only lasted for 20 years. Anyone older than 25 has memories of repression, hatred, fear and violence in Northern Ireland. The two main political parties at that place you know what are? Today in the modern day? The DUP and the Sinn Fein. Meaning the Unionists ( with the UK) and the separatists ( reunification with IR). They hate each other so much they refuse to cooperate and even create a government. The Sinn Fein abstains their seats from Westminster because they are Irish and refuse to participate in a british parliament. I dont see how this is best for everyone unless the english are ready to support the reunification of Ireland. But anyway I doubt little England actually gives a crap about the Northern Irish. As I have said previously the concept of national hatred is hard for americans to understand however it is the main wheel under the whole polity of NI runs around.
