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Socialism Is So Hot Right Now. Thank Bernie Sanders DSA Houston

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, May 23, 2017.

  1. TheRealist137

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    I said that I disliked using a single metric to determine who has better healthcare, which is what you are trying to do because it supports your belief that USA has better healthcare than Canada. The original poster also cherry picked but in that case he reached a correct conclusion that Canada > USA. This conclusion is correct based off of my preferred methodology, which is to look at multiple metrics and judge them holistically.

    You can cherry pick and say that Lou Williams averages more free throws than Lin, therefore he's a better offensive player than Lin. We know that the conclusion is true, not just by looking at free throws but virtually every other relevant statistic. No issue with that. But if you go and say that Lou Williams averages more free throws than Curry, therefore he's a better offensive player than Curry, I'd have a problem with it.
     
  2. pirc1

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    What percentage of people in the US would take Canadian healthcare compared to the percentage of people in Canada that would take the US healthcare? For that matter, do the same thing for Japan, Germany, Denmark etc. What do you expect the result to be?
     
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    Other than it being "free" I don't think many Americans would vote for another country's healthcare system. I can only speak for Americans when I say that some combination if ignorance, pride, preference, fear of waiting lists and rationing would combine to make the number pretty small.
     
  4. LabMouse

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    If you work hard, save some money, US healthcare system is just fine for you.
     
  5. shorerider

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    That's what I was getting at in my last post. If there were indeed enough dissatisfaction among the proletariat, then you would likely see a movement to get the system privatized. People complain, but in the end they probably look at the US mess and just shut their trap about their own system.
     
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    your assumption that you would live longer is bullshit and really bad analytics.

    Canadian healthcare isn't really free. 75% of Canadians have private health insurance to pay for the things Canadian government doesn't.
     
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  7. shorerider

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    Maybe it's more about fear of change then.
     
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    People look a the US system as a mess....until they need treatment here that they can't get in Canada or whatever. Until they have a figurehead like Princess Diana that dies in France that would have likely survived if she was in America when she needed help....

    The system has flaws, but when patients are shipped in from all over the world to get treatment here, it's hard to suggest that the quality of healthcare is sub par.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Then again, forget I said that, "free stuff" is awesome!
     
  10. shorerider

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    No, I don't think anyone ever mentioned that the quality of the care is sub-par in the US. In fact it's probably near the top in terms of quality. I think its more about driving a BMW when your job only pays you enough to be driving a Toyota.
     
  11. Rashmon

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    It's even better if you never get sick.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    Your link says USA has better quality care than Canada..... holistically...... in every category. Read it before you post it next time.

    For the record though, I think your study sucks noodles.
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    Bernie, the most popular politician ... And who is his competition?

    Trump
    Hillary
    Johnson
    Stein

    I would have voted for Bernie but I do not agree with his policies. I am not the least bit concerned of him getting some of his far left policies enacted.
     
  14. shorerider

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    That private insurance stat is misleading in the sense that eye and dental appointments usually don't carry the financial burden such as hospital stays or ER visits. Basically private insurance in Canada is for eye, dental, PT, and prescription reduction and is offered as a "free of charge" benefit from most employers.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    When it comes to people living or dying, you want the best rather than settling. I have more than one family member that would be dead today if the quality of care was anything less than top notch. So you really have to ask, what's the value of life? You can have all the free healthcare in the world, but if it's not top notch, people that would otherwise survive will be dead as a result.

    Now we can have a conversation about how it's to be paid for, or how the system can change in order to help those at the bottom with certain things but completely changing the system and going with a socialized system IMO would do more harm than good because in a socialized system quality would necessarily suffer and I don't think that's something people want.

    For example, compare those who use the VA government healthcare system to those who go with private doctors. The quality difference is ridiculous and that's an example of government run healthcare in the US so it's a way of seeing what it would look like if the US ran a healthcare system for everyone. If you can afford real healthcare, you don't go to the damn VA for anything other than meds because they are free (for some).
     
  16. tallanvor

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    Average Canadian family pays $6K in private insurance is what i see (not sure i trust source). That's not an insignificant number.
     
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    Sociopathy is the New Black.

    SLM
     
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    Are you sure? What if you run your own small business and you get cancer? How many people get bankrupt because there is no out of pocket max or they had preexisting conditions before Obama Care?
     
  19. LabMouse

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    My understanding is that those people can go to the state hospital, the quality is not good. The key is that people need have money in your bank, or their life is not good if money is out of pocket, then they need depend on other helps.

     
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    How much money in the Bank? 50k or even 100k may not be enough, that is why something is seriously wrong, your lifetime savings won't even cover one major illness many times if you do not have adequate insurance, it have nothing to do with how hard you are working.
     

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