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Should Neo-Nazis be allowed to march?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewYorker, Oct 16, 2005.

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Should Neo-Nazis be allowed to march even if it results in violence?

  1. Yes - this is American, anyone can express their beliefs no matter how inflammatory they might be

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  2. No, that's ridiculous

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  3. I don't know

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    I've watched a bit of the Boston thing today, mostly the counter protest, but also a bit of the initial protest and wow....so much stupid. I'm honestly not sure how someone could be there and listen to either side and not laugh at them, especially the BLM group, they have been especially ridiculous and hate filled.
     
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    I don't know why police allow people to wear masks at these events. At least they are keeping the crowds apart thus far. Stay tuned.
     
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    It's not against the law to wear a mask is it? I know it is in Germany, but those people are Nazis. Now that said, those who show up with weapons, they should be able to be arrested immediately. I don't know the Massachusetts law, but in Texas it's illegal to carry any kind of club and damn near anything that you can use as a club qualifies as one.
     
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    Yeah, I am sure that is why they are allowed to do it but I am sure they can put special rules in place when they shut down public streets. If you want to protest, show your mug.
     
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    I think the initial protest is over with already, very few showed up. Now all that is going on is the mindless chants from the hippies.
     
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    Fortunately the Boston police were engaged here, unlike the Virginia state police (Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) - Governor) at the Charlottesville event last weekend.
     
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    Well, there's also the difference of Boston being a fairly large city and Charlottesville is just a one horse town out in the sticks. Combine that with the fact that the Charlottesville nonsense had big numbers "on both sides" and the Boston event was really just one large group and another group with maybe 100 people and it becomes way easier to manage. That said, credit is due Boston for actually deciding to manage the event unlike other cities in the past.
     
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    That's an all too easy excuse to revoke someone's free speech, especially when it is controversial and offensive. Not good enough. Measures can be taken to minimize chance of violence without revoking their 1st amendment rights.
     
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    So there was a funny moment in the Boston nonsense just now, a black guy got into the park who was saying "Blacks for Trump" and the cops had to escort him out as an angry mob of white people descended on him screaming "know your race" and "your kind doesn't belong here"

    Now that's just hilarious, such unintentional comedy.
     
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    jump to conclusion much?

    left hate free speech ---> left is the primary problem, not nazi ?



    this leftist here love free speech and how much i want nazi to disappear, i know the danger of suppression of free speech, so no

    of course free speech has its limit and if it's not a march to express, but an intent to cause violent, it's a different story


    btw, if you are serious about the constitution, among other things, this POTUS is against free press.... you want to call him out for that?
     
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    You seem to think this is about offending people. To me a position who comes to your home to tell you that they seek to eliminate your race is making a threat.


    You want to protect speech meant to intimidate and cause fear. This is terrorism you are defending.
     
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    Direct threats are of course illegal.
     
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    Then why are you defending Nazism which is a direct threat to Jews, blacks, Asians, and any person of color? Neo-Nazism goal is to have whites rule supreme and subjugate other races. Do you understand that to a minority these people are a threat? Their goal is to eliminate minorities from America. Marches are meant to intimidate and scare people.

    To you, it's just, "stop being wusses - they aren't doing any harm. Stop being so sensitive!!!"

    You have no clue what these people are.
     
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    That isn't the kind of threat that is illegal. Generally only unequivocal, unconditional threats to cause imminent harm, along with the present apparent ability to cause that harm, directly communicated to the target of that harm or someone with a natural affinity for the target (like a family member) is going to be an actionable threat. A group saying that they don't like another group and would prefer that other group not exist does not meet this standard. I don't like the KKK and would prefer they not exist, but I can't be arrested for saying so.
     
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    Germans are rarely right on anything, but banning all Nazi nonsense and making it a crime was the right thing to do. Total free speech is dangerous and can be emotionally damaging (see: Westboro Church). Imagine trying to bury your child killed in war and having to deal with those extremists -- what they do should be illegal.
     
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    It is like a disgusting soup of losers and misfits. I seriously wish there was a huge drain vortex that would suck all of them into the center of the earth.
     
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    I don't think someone should be arrested for saying, "all white people should die" - you are right there. But I don't think people should be able to march through a white neighborhood and shout, "all white people must die" and consider that peaceful.
     
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    For that they have a charge called "Disturbing the Peace".
     
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    damaging the first amendment because of a dozen cult members is a horrible idea.
     
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    One example of a problem with total unchecked free speech.
     

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