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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. adoo

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    that underscores how effective team Mueller has been;

    every US citizen prosecuted has plead guilty!



    and the dotard's TV lawyer, Rudi, tweeted that "Manafort will tell the truth"
     
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    Three lawyers associated with LawfareBlog have filed a petition in the D.C. District Court to have the Jaworski Watergate "road map" document unsealed and released to the public:

    "According to countless media accounts and President Trump’s own lawyers, Special Counsel Robert Mueller is writing some kind of report on allegations of presidential obstruction of justice. Exactly what sort of report this may be is unclear. But to the extent that Mueller is contemplating a referral to Congress of possible impeachment material, he has two historical models of such documents to draw on. One, the so-called Starr Report, is famous and publicly available. The other is a document most people have never heard of: the 'Road Map' that Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski sent to Congress in 1974 and that informed its impeachment proceedings, which were already underway.

    "The Road Map was very different from the Starr Report. Where Starr wrote a lengthy narrative, the Road Map was reportedly spare. Where Starr evaluated the legal relevance of the evidence he referred, the Road Map apparently contained no analysis and drew no conclusions. And where the Starr Report was in bookstores worldwide and today is just a Google search away, the Road Map is largely forgotten.

    "There’s a reason for that: The Road Map remains under seal at the National Archives. Kenneth Starr couldn’t read it. You can’t read it. And, remarkably for a document that may be the best model available for his current project, Mueller can’t read it either.

    "The three of us filed a petition on Thursday to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia that seeks to rectify this problem. Represented by attorneys at Protect Democracy, we asked the court to unseal the Road Map. We did so because the document is of significant historical interest and significant contemporary interest. As we will explain in this post, which is drawn from declarations that we and others filed in the matter, the Road Map is one of the few significant pieces of Watergate history that remains unavailable to the public. The document is also keenly relevant to current discussions of how Mueller should proceed. It is possible that it is even relevant to discussions taking place within the Mueller investigation itself.

    "It is time for Jaworski’s Road Map to see the light of day."
    more at the link: https://www.lawfareblog.com/watergate-road-map-and-coming-mueller-report

    also posted in the "Impeach Trump" thread
     
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    ...Manafort makes a GREAT Paulie Walnuts, don't you guys think?
     
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    Podesta.... some idiot on here got out of all of this that Podesta could be in trouble. Everything else was insignificant but Podesta! Now that’s the big take away!
     
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    Stone will likely take the Cohen route and plea guilty and beg like hell to get a cooperation deal.

    He will put up a fight in the media right up to the point he pleas. Mark my words.

    I’ve never seen anything like this in my life honestly. This is the entire crew of the president of the United States... one by one. Just astounding, but shouldn’t be shocking... Trump has been ruining the lives of his associates his entire professional career. While he finds a way to survive every time.

    I have no idea how this story ends though. Just baffling watching it unfold over time.
     
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    Add in Allen Weisselberg, Trump Inc CFO, who has worked for the Trump family since the 70s.

    Trump appears to be completely triangulated by Mueller.

    Trump just might have to play the Get-Out-Of-Presidency card, the Emoluments Clause.

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    NPR: Emoluments Lawsuit Moves A Step Closer to Trump
    September 15, 201812:08 PM ET
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    PETER OVERBY


    The attorneys general of Maryland and the District of Columbia want the legal authority to get any communications between President Trump and officials of foreign or U.S. state governments pertaining to his Trump International Hotel near the White House.

    The proposal is one of several for "document discovery" in the historic civil suit against the president. As plaintiffs, D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine and Maryland Attorney General Peter Frosh can seek documents to bolster their complaints. They made their proposals Friday in a filing in U.S. District Court in Greenbelt, Md.

    The suit alleges that Trump has violated two anti-corruption provisions of the Constitution: the Foreign Emoluments Clause, which bars federal officials from accepting gifts or rewards from foreign government officials, and the Domestic Emoluments Clause, which prohibits the president from accepting benefits from state governments.

    U.S. District Court Judge Peter Messitte ruled in July that the attorneys general had legal standing to sue. This is the first emoluments case in American history to go to trial.

    The attorneys general also want to obtain:
    • records covering the hotel's business with foreign government officials;
    • records of cash going from the hotel to the Trump revokable trust that holds the hotel, and then to Trump;
    • documents from the federal General Services Administration, which leases the hotel building to the Trump hotel corporation, and from the U.S. Treasury, which handles the lease payments.
    The attorneys general are suing Trump as president and as an individual. The trial is framed, so far, as involving Trump in his official role. Messitte hasn't yet decided whether the case will include Trump as an individual. The Justice Department, defending Trump, contends discovery should wait until that question is settled.
     
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    Trump getting his Obstruction of Justice on ...

    NPR: Trump Orders Declassification Of FBI Documents Sought By House Republicans

    President Trump has ordered the intelligence community to "provide for the immediate declassification" of several documents related to the FBI and the Department of Justice, the White House press secretary announced Monday.

    The documents in question are specific pages of the June 2017 FISA warrant application related to onetime Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page, all FBI interview reports prepared in connection with all FISA warrant applications in connection with Page, and all FBI reports of interviews with Justice Department lawyer Bruce Ohr prepared in connection with the FBI's Russia investigation.

    Additionally, Trump has ordered the DOJ and the FBI to release all text messages related to the Russia investigation — in unredacted form — of former FBI Director James Comey, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, former FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, former FBI attorney Lisa Page and Ohr.

    "When the President issues such an order, it triggers a declassification review process that is conducted by various agencies within the intelligence community, in conjunction with the White House Counsel, to seek to ensure the safety of America's national security interests," a spokesperson for the Department of Justice said in a statement. "The Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are already working with the Director of National Intelligence to comply with the President's order."

    One of Trump's allies in the House cheered the president's decision. "I commend President Trump for his decision to declassify numerous documents, including several redacted pages of the Carter Page FISA application and important messages relating to the Russia investigation," Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., said in a statement. "My colleagues in Congress and I have requested these documents for months, but have faced lengthy and unnecessary delays, redactions, and refusals from officials at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation." Gaetz, who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, added that he looks "forward to the forthcoming release of these documents, and reviewing them closely."

    But the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee criticized Trump's move. "President Trump, in a clear abuse of power, has decided to intervene in a pending law enforcement investigation by ordering the selective release of materials he believes are helpful to his defense team and thinks will advance a false narrative," Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said in a statement that also raised concerns about the possibility that intelligence sources and methods could be compromised by the release ordered by Trump.

    It is not clear from the statement when the declassification and release of the documents will occur. But when it does it would be the latest move by Trump and his administration to release previously secret documents at the heart of claims by the president's allies on Capitol Hill. Those allies, particularly conservative Republicans in the House, contend that the FBI's Russia investigation is biased against Trump at its core and from its early stages.

    In July the administration released the previously classified warrant application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court made by the FBI in 2016 seeking permission to surveil Page's communications. But those documents were heavily redacted, with entire pages blacked out. Earlier this year, in February, a memo by House intelligence committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., was also declassified and released. And later that same month, a countermemo by Democrats on the same committee was declassified and released in redacted form.

     
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    Washington Examiner: Adam Schiff: 'Clear abuse of power’ for Trump to have Russia-related documents declassified

    Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called President Trump’s decision Monday to order the declassification of documents concerning the federal Russia investigation a “clear abuse of power.”

    “President Trump, in a clear abuse of power, has decided to intervene in a pending law enforcement investigation by ordering the selective release of materials he believes are helpful to his defense team and thinks will advance a false narrative,” Schiff said in a statement.

    “With respect to some of these materials, I have been previously informed by the FBI and Justice Department that they would consider their release a red line that must not be crossed as they may compromise sources and methods,” Schiff added. “This is evidently of no consequence to a President who cares about nothing about the country and everything about his narrow self-interest.”

     
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    I don't think anyone should ever think there is a line that Trump wouldn't cross. It doesn't matter how badly he damages the intel gathering of the United States or if it puts operatives lives at risk. It is only one of the reasons he's bad for the United States, but it seems like it would be a reason that everyone on both sides should be able to agree.
     
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    Meanwhile... I am sure it was just a coincidence that shortly after Manafort agreed to sing that the Flynn sentencing was able to proceed.

     
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    Mueller, always one step ahead, "trump tamper-proofs" the Manafort deal...

     
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    Dude is a freaking witch surgeon.
     
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    But those Hillary emails, they are a national security risk!
     
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    [Educational Post]
    Mueller has nothing on Russian collusion -- never did, nor did the FBI according to Lisa Page's testimony . Mueller's strategy is to find unrelated crimes committed by people close to Trump, and then try to get those defendants to turn over incriminating details on Trump. So citing guilty verdicts or pleas of those close to Trump is not evidence of an effective Special Counsel -- it's evidence of a corrupt Special Counsel who is trying everything possible to find something on Trump, and prosecuting people (and ruining lives) who otherwise never would have been examined. The problem is that the genesis of the entire Special Counsel probe was fake -- there was never evidence of Russian collusion at any point. Totally false pretenses. The Special Counsel was formed on dishonest grounds and set up to look for a crime. That's not how our justice system works and should shock any reasonable US citizen that something like this is possible in our country. It's political persecution and jailing of political opposition. With the declassified information, we will see the full extent of this. We've already seen plenty of Strzok-Page texts that verify that the FBI investigation and efforts to appoint a Special Counsel were politically motivated to stop Trump, then derail Trump. We've also learned that the spying done on Trump was based on false information and that British/Australian intel agencies were involved in initiating this (as well as the DNC). We've learned that Democrats and the FBI/CIA conspired to leak classified information to the media to advance their political objectives. All of these are crimes.

    For two years, the media and FBI/CIA have played the liberals for absolute fools. The naive liberal crusaders have been misled, and they lapped it up because they wanted it to be true, not because there were any facts to prove it. The media and intel agencies used the 'useful idiots' to cover up their crimes. Two years of knowingly false accusations of Russian collusion now totally debunked. Time to pay the piper, libs!


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Which are also things that he could be pardoned for....even before he was ever charged. I'm sure he had to know that.
     
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    Nice try
     
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