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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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    more on the join defense agreement... very common for mob cases

    How Trump and Manafort Are Helping Each Other in the Russia Investigation

    President Donald Trump has tried to distance himself from his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, insisting that Manafort only worked for him for a very short time and that his recent convictions on tax- and bank-fraud charges have nothing to do with the campaign. But Trump’s and Manafort’s legal interests may be more aligned than either of them have let on.

    According to Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, Manafort and Trump are part of a joint-defense agreement that allows them to share confidential information about the Russia investigation under the protection of attorney-client privilege. “All during the investigation we have an open communication with them,” Giuliani recently
    told Politico. “Defense lawyers talk to each other all the time, where, as long as our clients authorize it, therefore we have a better idea of what’s going to happen. That’s very common.”

    Former federal prosecutors turned defense attorneys told me that such agreements are indeed common in multi-defendant cases like Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, which has embroiled dozens of White House staffers,Trump-campaign advisers, and associates of the president. Essentially, they said, these agreements allow defendants to get their stories straight—and could help Manafort if he’s looking for an eventual pardon.

    “These types of agreements are very common in mob and street-gang cases,” said Elie Honig, a former assistant U.S. attorney who successfully prosecuted more than 100 members and associates of La Cosa Nostra. “I’ve seen some joint-defense agreements with 20 participants … It enables and facilitates all defendants to get together and say, ‘Let’s get our ducks in a row.’ And, strategically, it enables all the different defendants and targets in a case to get together, work out what they’re going to say, and get on the same page so as not to implicate each other.”

    Manafort’s legal exposure is not limited to his bank records and foreign lobbying, two matters for which charges have already been brought against him. He ran the Trump campaign for nearly five months at the height of the election, and he attended a meeting in June 2016 with Russian nationals offering dirt on Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton. That meeting is of particular interest to Mueller, who has been investigating a potential conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to undermine Clinton’s candidacy. Trump’s story about the meeting has changed several times already, and WikiLeaks dumped Democratic National Committee emails that had been stolen by Russia just over one month later. Manafort also appeared to offer the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska private briefings about the campaign in exchange for debt relief, and he received emails from the Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos offering to set up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The recently revealed agreement “is an indication by both Trump and Manafort that their interests are aligned,” explained the former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Cramer. It may also give Manafort “another way to demonstrate his loyalty to Team Trump,” said Patrick Cotter, a former federal prosecutor who was part of the team that convicted the Gambino crime boss John Gotti. It “suggests that Manafort may be signaling to the Trump team that he wants to still be thought of as one of them, and so is willing to share the evidence he gets to see as he prepares for his trials.”

    Trump’s and Manafort’s lawyers can share as much or as little as they’d like under the agreement, which can be either written or unwritten, lawyers told me. Trump, whose deal with Manafort may make him more privy to evidence in the Russia investigation than was previously known, has repeatedly called for the probe to be shut down and has praised Manafort for refusing to cooperate with Mueller. (A spokesman for Manafort did not return a request for comment.)

    According to the journalist Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear, Manafort is not alone in having a deal with Trump. Thirty-seven witnesses who have been called to testify so far in the Mueller inquiry are part of a joint-defense agreement with the president, which allows them to share details about what they told the special counsel. Michael Cohen, the president’s former personal attorney and fixer, also had an agreement with Trump, but he backed out earlier this summer when he decided to cooperate with New York prosecutors.

    So far, Manafort is the only American charged by Mueller who has chosen to go to trial rather than cooperate, and he’s already facing years in prison as a result of his conviction in Alexandria, Virginia, last month. He’s preparing for yet another trial in Washington, D.C., next week on multiple charges, including failure to register as a foreign agent, witness tampering, and money laundering.

    His agreement with Trump wouldn’t prevent him from seeking a plea deal in that case, or even flipping on the president in exchange for a lighter sentence, legal experts told me—it would simply limit what he could say about Trump’s legal strategy. Manafort is still resisting pressure to help federal prosecutors, according to ABC News, and is angling for a deal that would lessen his sentence but not require him to turn on Trump. That’s not an uncommon request, Honig said, but a good prosecutor would reject it. “Federal cooperation, with very narrow exceptions, is not selective,” he said. “Generally, it’s all or nothing.”

    Manafort may be looking beyond a plea deal, however, to a full pardon from Trump (or, even further down the road, to a commutation). Honig was skeptical that Trump’s lawyers would use the agreement to dangle a pardon in exchange for Manafort’s silence: Doing so could constitute obstruction of justice, and therefore be subject to the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege. “They have to be somewhat guarded, because they know Manafort, or anyone else in a joint-defense agreement, could choose to flip at any time,” Honig said.

    Even so, Cotter noted, the agreement provides Manafort a valuable channel into Trumpworld, one that could help him angle for a pardon if that’s what he’s looking for. In the end, “that’s not a bad roll of the dice,” Cramer said. “As we’ve seen from Trump’s past pardons, Manafort won’t need to wait on career prosecutors or the [White House’s] pardon office to make a recommendation. It’s really just about waiting on the president’s whim.”
     
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    I feel zero sympathy for either of them.

    They are fortunate that they are not spending decades in prison.
     
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    for what?
     
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    That of which they pled guilty?
     
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    Unclear whether he agreed to spill his guts or simply plead guilty to avoid second trial...

     
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    leakers getting snuffed out

     
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    But... the hats man, the hats?
     
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    Ken Starr on Trump: We're in 'abuse of power' territory
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ken-starr-trump-abuse-power-territory-090020896.html
     
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    Sounds light.
     
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    The cooperation of Manafort (if that is in fact what Mueller is getting which I'm doubtful of although) is key to the question of collusion.... not that he either proves, or disproves it.... Mueller knows I'm sure..... but because he can really provide the VERY IMPORTANT context that a witness can provide. How did people react... did someone take convincing in the room... etc. etc. Things that bring words on paper to life when you tell it to a jury.

    Manafort was in the room during the Trump Tower meeting. He can put Mueller in the room essentially.

    Manafort is proven a tough cooperator though. He's got personal exposure outside of prison with his Russian ties, and I'd assume there is a high price Putin would pay to assassinate him if he's cooperating & giving intel that helps our FBI protect from Russian criminality. He's also highly likely to get a pardon if he serves a few months when Trump can pardon him next Spring after the mid-terms.

    My guess is Manafort only came to talk to Mueller's team about a plea to try and avoid court costs, but they offered him a deal that he'd be a fool to refuse & wasn't worth refusing to sit in jail waiting on a pardon. He likely only agrees to sell all his homes if he knows he'll never be able to safely go back to any one of his homes again, and if he's not in jail will need to be in witness protection.

    if Manafort is cooperating truly, its pretty obvious that Trump is screwed and its good news from Americans because they'll truly get an answer one way or another on the issue of collusion/conspiracy with the Russians.
     
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    They're lucky Obama isn't in office now. He was the worst when it came to heroic leakers.
     
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    Special counsel Robert Mueller has filed a superseding criminal information against Manafort. This document includes an explanation of all the wrongdoing and criminal activity of the guilty party who is pleading guilty, along with the formal charges and includes certain evidence documents. It also describes the asset forfeitures to be imposed on Manafort, but it does not describe any actual jail sentence.

    Here is a link to this document:

     
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    The plea deal calls for a 10-year cap on how long Manafort will be sent to prison, and for Manafort to serve time from his separate Virginia and Washington cases concurrently.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018...ul-manafort-appears-to-reach-plea-deal-823882

    None of the charges filed against in Virginia or Washington directly accused Manafort of any improper ties to Russia or of seeking to advance Russian interests during the roughly three months he spent as Trump campaign chairman in 2016. However, investigators have explored whether he was subject to Russian influence during that period.
     
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    Adding to the belief he cut a deal with Mueller. This second trial was the one that people expected to go worse for manafort, because the judge and because the charges and evidence was stronger. Manafort was obviously motivated to deal. But... one of the charges was conspiracy. That one seems important. As does tampering. As does money laundering. Those three types of crimes would seem the basis for any serious charges involving trump.
     
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    Awesome. Tony Podesta is clearly implicated, as described by Kenneth Vogel of the New Times:

    Today's documents represent bad news for the Podesta Group, the lobbying firm set up in 1988 by brothers John Podesta and Tony Podesta. John Podesta, who left the firm in 1993, went on to become Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, while his brother quit last year. Mr Vogel tweeted: "Emails suggest that the lobbying firm knew all along that their work was for the pro-Russian government of Ukraine, & not a non-profit group, per new info from MUELLER, which calls into question Podesta's basis for not registering under FARA."

    Manafort's cooperation will be very helpful in pursuing those prosecutions.
     
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    Repeat: most successful witch hunt ever!
     

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