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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    apparently the Pope reads ClutchFans

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f878a26288a_story.html?utm_term=.c96270af22a1

     
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    "Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government."

    "Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

    "Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”

    "In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time."

    "Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage."

    "In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS” and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa."

    "He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

    "Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”




    “Not only will this tax plan pay for itself but it will pay down debt,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin famously boasted in September. But his own department’s analysts now peg the 10-year cost at $2.3 trillion given the administration’s assumption that tax breaks for individuals and large estates will be extended past 2025."

    "In a meeting with lawmakers, President Trump expressed support for a “comprehensive” gun bill that would include stronger background checks and temporarily take guns away from high-risk individuals."

    The dynamics have changed because of the actions of the person already in office.

    The current administration has positioned themselves is such a manner that they cannot really criticize anyone on the issues.
     
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  3. MojoMan

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    I never want to see the term "Whataboutism" from you again after that post. Understood?
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    You know, I'm a bit at loose ends myself. A decade as a father of young children has obliterated most of my hobbies, but now they are old enough that I have some free time again and nothing to do. Maybe a 2020 run is just the thing to occupy my free time?

    BLM peaked too early. But honestly, I think it has always been a much bigger deal to conservatives who fear racial marginalization that it has been to liberals wanting racial equality. There might be some celebrating of brown candidates, but that's about as far as it goes. Trump's DOJ won't do any Ferguson-like oversight like Obama's did. Do you even see a Democratic politico complaining about it? We'll probably see some actually black people (plus some Russian bots) complain about how Democrats take them for granted, and then the Democrats will do it anyway. So, no, I don't see them running on race; I see Trumpers running on Democrats running on race.

    How do Republicans manage to run on fiscal responsibility and a strong military at the same time? Or fiscal responsibility and tax cuts at the same time?

    Lol on confiscation. That's what I'll run on. But Democrats with a chance of being nominated are going to be at great pains to avoid taking any action that can be construed as impinging on Second Amendment rights, and then will be accused of it anyway. Maybe an assault weapon ban, but mostly a focus on a gun registry, gun-show 'loopholes' and that kind of crap. They will definitely not be trying to take away anyone's guns unless something in our society dramatically shifts.

    I don't think anyone is in or out at the point. I don't have any speculation on who would be best nor any favorite. I don't think Harris is out; she's not a one-trick pony.
     
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    Kudos on being so patient to respond as you did. Me... I probably would have responded with a funny gif... but I don't have your patience or kindness :D
     
  6. Nook

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    LMFAO

    You know it is true.

    As soon as Trump attempts to label another candidate as any of the things you stated........ all they have to do is go to the massive book of Trump actions and quotes.....

    [​IMG]
     
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    I just like to hear myself talk. ;)
     
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    Politics might be very well be your calling, then!
     
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    Highly unlikely
     
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    Former Maryland Governer Martin O'Malley, who was one of the sacrificial lambs who ran against Hillary Clinton for the Democrat nomination in 2016, has announced he will not run for president in 2020. The larger purpose of this announcement appears to be his endorsement of Beto O'Roarke, who has yet to formally announce his candidacy, but is expected by many to do so in the weeks to come.

    Beto O’Rourke gets an Iowa boost
    Martin O’Malley exits the 2020 Democratic race — and lays out the rationale for the former Texas congressman.

    Martin O’Malley’s announcement Thursday that he will not run for president may not have upended the 2020 presidential field. But by endorsing Beto O’Rourke at the same time he revealed his own departure from the race, O’Malley significantly advanced the case for the former Texas congressman in the Iowa crucible that could determine O’Rourke’s fate if he chooses to run.

    Despite O’Malley’s weak performance in the Iowa caucuses in 2016 — he dropped out of the race on caucus night after receiving less than 1 percent of the vote — the former Maryland governor has spent years cultivating relationships with Democratic donors and activists in the first-in-the-nation caucus state.​

    The whole Beto phenomenon leaves me scratching my head. I get it that he came within single digits of beating Ted Cruz in Texas - after being backed by a tsunami of out of state money in what turned into the most expensive senate race in US history and in the process outspending Senator Cruz by a huge margin. But he lost and he will not win the state of Texas if he were to somehow happen to win the Democrat nomination for president.

    Beto appears to me to be the beneficiary of huge amounts of free news coverage and ad spending. But if he has any sort of a nationally attractive platform or agenda, it is a complete mystery to me what it might be. In fact, if he runs as expected, I will be sincerely surprised if his campaign agenda is not the same sort of focus group generated pap that Hillary Clinton tried to trawl out to the American people, when she was not calling names and engaging in personal attacks, which was the true central theme of her campaign.

    So, who is this guy? Correct me if I am wrong, but he is an ideological lefty that will have to compete for the same votes as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, and whoever else comes out of the woodwork to compete to be the champion of that bracket of the Democrat contest. He has lots of money and he has decent name recognition, but not clearly as good or better than Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren on either front.

    Some say that Beto is 'like Obama'. Perhaps in that Beto has no real world experience to recommend him to any position of power or responsibility, and that he is largely unknown and can be crafted like a blank canvas because of that, he is 'like Obama'. But in the most critical way, he is not. Obama would never have made it past the first four primaries if it had not been for his skin color and the fact that the Democrats wanted to vote for someone because of their race. Beto is not black and he is not going to be the first anything. These are the characteristics that made Obama successful more than anything else.

    What is it aside from the cheers of some among the CNN and MSNBC crowd that sets Beto apart as someone that should vault him to the front of a 20+ person field of Democrat candidates for President of the United States? I really am not seeing it.
     
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    You support a current president with zero individual merit who nutted out of a 413 million dollar penis.

    Obama with his own acadet merit graduated from Columbia Law and was a prominent law professor at Harvard and a prominent civil rights attorney along with being a senator. Yes there have been more experienced presidents. George H Bush was more experienced. It doesn't mean Obama had done nothing in his life an magically ran and won for president .

    So yes, he actually has done things "in the real world".

    It's posts like these where I don't fault.another poster for using the "racist" term towards you.
     
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    Entrepreneur Andrew Yang is another Democrat presidential candidate, who is running on giving every US citizen a 'universal basic income' of $1,000 a month, which he says is necessary because artificial intelligence and robotics are going to eliminate most jobs:

    Democratic 2020 hopeful Andrew Yang campaigns on universal basic income

    If candidates are going to be rewarded for outside-the-box thinking in 2020, then don’t write off Andrew Yang’s underdog bid for president.

    The 43-year-old entrepreneur and political newcomer has become a familiar face in Iowa, where he has centered his fledgling campaign on giving every U.S. citizen $1,000 per month. Mr. Yang’s sales pitch is anchored in an apocalyptic warning: The coming rise of robots, artificial intelligence and automation will eliminate truck driving and retail jobs across the country, and it demands that elected leaders adopt a “new economic vision.”​

    More at the link.
     
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    They said similar things about Abraham Lincoln after he lost to Douglas.

    What "home state" did Donald Trump deliver? It wasn't New York.

    You don't know very much about Beto. He very seldom engages in personal attacks. His platform will be as articulate as other cults of personality like Ike, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Trump and Obama.

    You keep getting hung up on this, but it isn't any different than any other Presidential candidate. They all are competing for a finite number of votes. Also, Beto is likely to come across as more moderate than either Warren or Sanders. Beto has a chance to have an appeal to moderates and even some non insane Republicans.

    Yes, skin color is why Obama made it......... as we have seen floods of black candidates make it deep into Presidential primaries based on being black.

    Obama won because people liked him, and trusted him. He won the electoral college and he won the popular vote.

    Beto doesn't have to be the "first" anything to potentially win the Democratic nomination.

    Beto has a level of charisma and likability that no one else has and that usually means quite a bit at the end of the day.
     
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    Well he had better. So his charisma and likability is what is going to put Beto over the top? That is good to know, because until right now, I did not know that this was supposed to be such a strong distinguishing factor for him. Thank you for sharing that.

    In fact, it almost sounds like you are making a similar argument for Beto that I have been making on behalf of Amy Klobuchar. No, they are not exactly the same of course. But it would be interesting to see these two try to out-nice each other.

    I wonder how much of an actual appetite there is for that from Democrat primary voters, however.
     
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    Ignoring the highlighted parts that to me open you up to criticism... since when is the ability to raise large amounts of cash considered to be a bad thing when discussing a national candidate running against a well-funded incumbent?
     
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    Hillary outspent Trump by a huge margin and Beto outspent Cruz by a similarly huge margin. They both lost. It is not that more money or more TV ad spending is 'bad'. However, what we are seeing is an increasingly sophisticated electorate that is clearly not as susceptible to tactical manipulation by the mass media or professional political campaigns as they used to be.

    Just trying to buy this election is not going to work on its own and these two examples are pretty strong evidence to back that up.
     
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    "Just trying to buy an election." "increasingly sophisticated electorate". LOL.
     
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    "Sophisticated electorate" aka an electorrel that uses memes and click bait titles as their primary source .
     
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    "Sophisticated electorate" aka an electorate that does not use the corrupt and openly propaganda pushing mass media as their primary source.

    You guys really hate that, don't you?
     
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    trump's friends in russia found the electorate very sophisticated?
     
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