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Potential 90 or 80s-now Soccer 5 vs 5 Draft without Messi, Maradona, Pele, CRonaldo

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by daywalker02, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. daywalker02

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    Yes those guys are off the table
     
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    I love football, but really don't know how this'd be possible to judge in a somewhat logical way.
     
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    Maybe like this but more refined

    Creativity
    Defense
    Dribbling
    Speed
    Threat to the Goal

    and so on..... it is just an idea and I think the Idea/Concept deserved a thread even if it never materializes.

    With a good coach

    As I said I would also do an ALL Major League Soccer Draft + Mexican league....if people are more interested in that.

    They got a System of Designated players and all, cannot just sign any stars available.

    I figured that there are guys interested in the EPL as well.
     
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    You would dominate a Bundesliga Draft for sure and that is not even fair or legal.
     
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    I dun think there needs to be logic. That is a forte of German brehs.

    You need to have boundaries and rules how to judge, I agree with that.
     
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    I wish i knew soccer. I want to do NFL :)
     
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    The issue is you think doing this in a 5 vs. 5 format would make it easier.

    A small court futsal-style match is way more unpredictable and all of us would have incredible offensive talent, with absolutely no way of saying "I'd play a defensive, long-ball style" or tiki taka etc.
    Coaching also wouldn't matter.
    There's no logical way to really differentiate how our guys would do in such a match and it'd also end up in everyone using 1on1/dribble players, for example how'd you decide whether Boateng+Robben+Verratti+Suarez is a better team than Ramos+Sanchez+Kroos+Benzema? Impossible.

    11v11 would also be difficult to judge, but way better, as everyone could show a clear concept (playing style, harmonizing players etc.), have a strategy with each third (defense, mid, strikers) etc.

    If we're doing a football draft, 11vs11 is the only possibility imo.
     
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    You can because it is a futsal match... in futsal match I think even professional Indoor players can be as good as outdoor players.

    Because you think Big Field pro players are much better indoors because they are great players outdoors? I dun think so.

    It is not their element. Sure they got the technique but there are tons of good Brazilians who do not have the stamina to compete on a real 100 meter pitch but can do easily on a much smaller field indoors.

    I dun think on a small pitch or court indoors you need long balls.

    And as said if you make it an MLS or EPL.

    You dun have so many good technical players.

    No Ramos, no Kroos, no Benzema, no Verratti, no Suarez, no Robben, no Boateng.

    Only Sanchez maybe.

    I never said the format should be strictly 5 guys but it is shorter and won't bore people.
     
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    I fully know that professional indoor players would smoke outdoor players, but that doesn't answer my concerns anyhow.
    How does only using EPL or MLS rosters make it easier, if you (as you said yourself) don't know how outdoor players would fare?

    Again, there's absolutely no way of properly judging this.
     
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    You could make MLS or EPL with a 11 full set of starters and a bench.

    MLS for the guys because they might know American league better and we do not have the advantage, we just are quick learners of their names and games.

    Judging is a problem but there is always a key to this but saying Never. There is NOT a Never say Never to anything.
     
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    How do you think they judge Figure Skating and Gymnastics and Track and Field disciplines?

    You, me and Jontro, others have to figure out and hammer out a Judging system that works.

    Without overwhelming others with complexities of Strategies, .........

    Tiki Taka, Kick and Rush, Park the Bus... some simpler ones are ok.

    Or invent ones..... Turtle formation

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    I'd wager most guys here don't even watch MLS and the ones interested in a football draft mainly watch EPL.

    And again, I can't see any way of us judging a futsal-style format. This would just end up in a flaming war and people midway realizing that the format made little sense.

    If you focus on EPL for example:
    A: Mané+Giroud+Barkley+Ottamendi+Lloris
    B: Sterling+Aguero+Lallana+Cahill+Courtois
    C: Sané+Kane+Coutinho+Luiz+Cech
    D: Mahrez+Defoe+Eriksen+Smalling+de Gea
    E: Son+Lukaku+Alli+Vertonghen+Mignolet
    F: Pedro+Vardy+Özil+Mustafi+Gomes
    G: Willian+Jesus+Bruyne+Valencia+Foster

    I don't even see the tiniest way of deciding a winner, no matter what team matches up.
     
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    The futsal itself was not the idea, it was a format to make the draft a shorter process, nothing more or nothing less.

    Itself it is not neither a revolutionary nor the best idea.

    BTW you don't even need tall defenders for futsal btw. That is moot. just agile players who can take away the ball from others.
     
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    I know, I'm using it to describe your small roster format.
    Yes, but that takes away the only real way of showing an approach. Use five midfielders/strikers and this thing becomes even more impossible to judge (which it already is).
     
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    interested, but i doubt i can make voting deadlines with the new babe.

    so is it a 5v5 futsal team?
    what are the parameters? no hof, no all star, no trades?
     
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    Is there a simulation program that can do that for teams? You do not even have to argue.

    As always the result would have to speak volumes.
     
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    I would like to hold this idea, though and dwell on it and probaly improve n improve.
     
  18. Yung-T

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    Nah.
     
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    Trust me breh, 11v11 or bust. Everything else isn't possible to judge.
     
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    It has to be 11 vs 11 plus a bench of 7 subs so 18 rounds of drafting....
     

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