We have Bob & his money. We have the coaches. We have the uniforms. We have the stadium. We have the cheerleaders. We have a good core of OFF/DEF players. We need CB/OL/RB. Are we ready to reach the playoffs in 08? If healthy, I think so!
I think we need help at CB, S, DE, OLB, RB, and OL. Depending on how things break, this could be a playoff team, but without some major off-season moves I don't think they'd be a threat to anyone in the playoffs.
Am I the only one who is depressed about the off season. The Rockets are turning it around but have been a disapointment for sure, the Astros are going to be a train wreak with that pitching staff so this is what it looks like to me. Rockets-built to win now, not working the way we thought it would Astros-have NOTHING in their minor league system so they are stuck with the team they have, a team that needs many things to break right Texans-the team on the move in the NFL seriously we can be next seasons Packers I really am excited for the future of this team
The Rockets have lost four games this month and are fun to watch because of Scola, Landry and Brooks alone. The Astros need some breaks in their starting pitching. At the very least, losing games 10-8 will be more entertaining than 5-1.
I'm with you on the Rockets, I have faith they can make a run in the playoffs and yes watching the young guys have been fun. I would much rather lose 2-1 in a ell played game than lose 10-8 when we jump out to a 5-1 lead and then our no pitching gives up the lead trust me that is much more frustrating
Honestly, April's Draft can't get here soon enough for me. I've gotten to where I really enjoy the NFL draft. Especially since we don't seem to have anymore A$$clowns making roster decisions. Sure hope we find a way to get into that second round, though.
Anybody have access to the point system that is sometimes used for accessing the value of draft picks? I'm wondering what we could get for our first round pick. Miami, I believe, has at least 2, and maybe 3 2nd rounders. According to the rating system could we get 2- 2nd rounders for our first?
Dubious posted this one in the other thread: <p style="font-size: 16px;"><b>NFL Draft Value Chart</p><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 border=0 bgcolor="#9698a5" width="100%"><TR align="center" bgcolor="#08092a" style="color: #FFFFFF;"><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 1</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 2</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 3</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 4</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 5</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 6</B></TD><TD colSpan=2><B>Round 7</B></TD></TR><tr><td bgColor="#ededee">1</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">3,000</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">33</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">580</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">65</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">265</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">97</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">112</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">129</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">43</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">161</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">27</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">193</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">14.2</TD></TR><tr><td bgColor="#ededee">2</TD><td bgColor="#ededee">2,600</TD><td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">34</TD><td 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I think with the addition of Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes, we have a real solid coaching staff. So hopefully this will translate into wins.
According to this chart. Equal value would be Miami's 33rd pick and 58th pick, two second rounders. Would you trade our 18th pick for those two? I would unless there was a sure fire starter with great upside at 18.
Hey if the Lions release Shaun Rogers would you look at signing him? If they don't would you give up a pick for him?
I had no idea we got Ray Rhodes...I'm a huge fan of his from a defensive perspective...We need a QB...oh wait... We need a running game in a bad way...Consistency is the key...
Some random thoughts as I was looking at our salaries for the upcoming season: Weaver has the highest cap figure for the upcoming season. I really want to cut this guy and take the cap hit. His base salary is 3.5 million this season, so that could be money well spent. Dunta Robinson is in a bad spot with this injury. He has one more year left on his contract. His current base salary is $545,000. I doubt he will be effective at all next season...will any team be willing to take a chance on him or will the Texans be in a great spot to take Dunta back at a discounted rate? The injury may end up working very well for the Texans. Demeco's base salary is $445,000. He has 2 years left. Lets save some cap money to guarantee he remains a Texan for his career. K thanks bye.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10635010 Say this about the Texans: They're predictable. They haven't reached the playoffs since joining the NFL in 2002, they haven't had a winning record and they haven't had a quarterback who could find his way to the end zone without a sherpa. But this may be when all that changes, and here's why: The Texans finished 8-8 last season, the first time they won more than seven games in one year, and they discovered what it's like to play football with an offense. Their 379 points were the most in team history, and having Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels at quarterback made a difference. But so did a defense anchored by three of the league's most promising young players: DeMeco Ryans, Amobi Okoye and Mario Williams. Still, Houston needs a cornerback and another pass rusher, and look for the Texans to start looking at the April draft. Still, they go nowhere if they don't produce a running game, and luring Alex Gibbs out of retirement to oversee the offense should help. One problem the Texans can't outrun: They play in the same division with Indianapolis, Jacksonville and Tennessee, and all were in the 2007 playoffs. Houston was 1-5 against the division; 7-3 against everyone else. That's all you need to know about the AFC South. Another thing you should know about the Texans is they must do a better job of cleaning up their mistakes, and I'm talking about turnovers, not busts like David Carr: The Texans had 38 giveaways, the second most in the league. Yet despite a -13 in the takeaway/turnover ratio they finished .500. That's reason to believe.